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Re: Mediocre.
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2012, 04:31:36 PM »

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Why are people's memory spans so short? Do you guys really not remember last season, or 2010?

This isn't last year and it isn't 2010. The only reason i have hope left is the fact we don't have AB out there yet.

Re: Mediocre.
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2012, 12:23:22 PM »

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Doc's rotations and lack of a decent center who can rebound are the real issues here. if i see Bass/Sully or Green/Bass or Green/Sully lineups again i'm going to throw up...

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Re: Mediocre.
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 01:54:10 PM »

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Why are people's memory spans so short? Do you guys really not remember last season, or 2010?

This isn't last year and it isn't 2010. The only reason i have hope left is the fact we don't have AB out there yet.
2010? PP was playing at all-star level and KG was two years younger. Oh and I hate to mention, but that Ray Allen guy was pretty good that year too.

2011? That Ray Allen guy was still here shooting treys in a career best %, PP when healthy still played very well, KG had more bounce to his steps.

In this league where winning is so dependent on having star power, when your core players get old and can't play like how they use to, you unfortunately have a very mediocre team.
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2012, 01:57:58 PM »

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I think this should of been the obvious, but a 35 year old sf, 35 year old c, 35 year old bench sg are our 3 best scorers, all of which are jumpshooters.

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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2012, 01:59:15 PM »

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We need more ball movement.

Re: Mediocre.
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2012, 02:26:38 PM »

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Slightly off topic, but how are the Bulls 13-9 missing their best player who is also one of the best players in the NBA? And how do he Knicks have one of the best records in the league missing one of its best players? And how does Minnesota have a better record than the Celts missing one of its best players? And how all of a sudden has Golden State become better than th Celts? And so on.

They have bigs who rebound.
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2012, 02:50:31 PM »

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Slightly off topic, but how are the Bulls 13-9 missing their best player who is also one of the best players in the NBA? And how do he Knicks have one of the best records in the league missing one of its best players? And how does Minnesota have a better record than the Celts missing one of its best players? And how all of a sudden has Golden State become better than th Celts? And so on.

They have bigs who rebound.
And they have a lot of talent and are very deep.  The Bulls have always played well without Rose, but they will not make a deep playoff run without him. 
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Re: Mediocre.
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2012, 02:53:38 PM »

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Slightly off topic, but how are the Bulls 13-9 missing their best player who is also one of the best players in the NBA? And how do he Knicks have one of the best records in the league missing one of its best players? And how does Minnesota have a better record than the Celts missing one of its best players? And how all of a sudden has Golden State become better than th Celts? And so on.

They have bigs who rebound.
And they have a lot of talent and are very deep.  The Bulls have always played well without Rose, but they will not make a deep playoff run without him.

True with CHicago and the Dubs. Especially the Dubs, that team is deep as heck.

Not Minny though. They have rebounders with Pek and Love, and AK47 to some extent. Giving more possesions for their team keeps them close in games.
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2012, 02:56:11 PM »

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Slightly off topic, but how are the Bulls 13-9 missing their best player who is also one of the best players in the NBA? And how do he Knicks have one of the best records in the league missing one of its best players? And how does Minnesota have a better record than the Celts missing one of its best players? And how all of a sudden has Golden State become better than th Celts? And so on.

They have bigs who rebound.
And they have a lot of talent and are very deep.  The Bulls have always played well without Rose, but they will not make a deep playoff run without him.

True with CHicago and the Dubs. Especially the Dubs, that team is deep as heck.

Not Minny though. They have rebounders with Pek and Love, and AK47 to some extent. Giving more possesions for their team keeps them close in games.
Minnesota is also a very deep team when they get healthy.  They have a lot of interchangeable parts.  Now granted they have yet to be fully healthy and won't be for at least another month or so (until Budinger is back).  I mean Derrick Williams the #2 pick a couple of years ago is barely playing for them now after starting and getting big minutes early in the season.  Minnesota is poised to make a deep run if they can get and stay healthy for the playoffs.
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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2012, 03:02:46 PM »

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I think this should of been the obvious, but a 35 year old sf, 35 year old c, 35 year old bench sg are our 3 best scorers, all of which are jumpshooters.

  If we take an average amount of shots at the rim and make a better than average amount of them is that a real problem?

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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2012, 03:10:07 PM »

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I think this should of been the obvious, but a 35 year old sf, 35 year old c, 35 year old bench sg are our 3 best scorers, all of which are jumpshooters.

  If we take an average amount of shots at the rim and make a better than average amount of them is that a real problem?

So you don't think this is a problem? What team has ever won a title with their 3 best scorers past their prime at age 35, and all are jumpshooters?

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2012, 03:25:41 PM »

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I think this should of been the obvious, but a 35 year old sf, 35 year old c, 35 year old bench sg are our 3 best scorers, all of which are jumpshooters.

  If we take an average amount of shots at the rim and make a better than average amount of them is that a real problem?

So you don't think this is a problem? What team has ever won a title with their 3 best scorers past their prime at age 35, and all are jumpshooters?

  First of all, "when has this exact combination of circumstances happened" is a silly way to decide how likely something is. Secondly it's pretty likely that Rondo will be among our top 3 scorers in the playoffs, and it's not inconceivable that Green or Bradley will be as well.

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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2012, 03:35:39 PM »

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I think this should of been the obvious, but a 35 year old sf, 35 year old c, 35 year old bench sg are our 3 best scorers, all of which are jumpshooters.

  If we take an average amount of shots at the rim and make a better than average amount of them is that a real problem?

So you don't think this is a problem? What team has ever won a title with their 3 best scorers past their prime at age 35, and all are jumpshooters?

  First of all, "when has this exact combination of circumstances happened" is a silly way to decide how likely something is. Secondly it's pretty likely that Rondo will be among our top 3 scorers in the playoffs, and it's not inconceivable that Green or Bradley will be as well.

I don't think it's a bad way to look at it at all. How can we predict the future? Look to the past.

As far as Rondo, he could very well be a top 3 scorer, but let's be honest, he's not going to be the one taking big shots down the stretch of big playoff games. Those plays will be drawn up for KG, PP, and Jet.

And I have 0 confidence that Green or Bradley can be a top 3 scorer for us in the postseason. What have they ever done in a Celtic uniform that shows you they can do that? That's a lot of faith with little evidence.

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2012, 03:37:10 PM »

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maybe its time to apologize to those of us that called this early on in the season. Oh and those who thought it was wise not to play the bigs we had on the roster.

Haha, an apology on an online forum?  That's happening. 

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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2012, 03:54:53 PM »

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I think this should of been the obvious, but a 35 year old sf, 35 year old c, 35 year old bench sg are our 3 best scorers, all of which are jumpshooters.

  If we take an average amount of shots at the rim and make a better than average amount of them is that a real problem?

So you don't think this is a problem? What team has ever won a title with their 3 best scorers past their prime at age 35, and all are jumpshooters?

  First of all, "when has this exact combination of circumstances happened" is a silly way to decide how likely something is. Secondly it's pretty likely that Rondo will be among our top 3 scorers in the playoffs, and it's not inconceivable that Green or Bradley will be as well.

I don't think it's a bad way to look at it at all. How can we predict the future? Look to the past.

  That's how we knew, from 12 or so years of history, that Dirk was never going to lead a team to a title. As for your question, why do they have to be 35 and not 32? Why do they need to be jumpshooters? It's needlessly specific.

As far as Rondo, he could very well be a top 3 scorer, but let's be honest, he's not going to be the one taking big shots down the stretch of big playoff games. Those plays will be drawn up for KG, PP, and Jet.

  Let's be honest, at the time we were eliminated last year he'd made as many big shots down the stretch in big playoff games as almost anyone else in the league.

And I have 0 confidence that Green or Bradley can be a top 3 scorer for us in the postseason. What have they ever done in a Celtic uniform that shows you they can do that? That's a lot of faith with little evidence.

  What's Terry ever done in a Celtics uniform that shows you that he can do that? It's not that I have more faith on less evidence than you, I just don't limit that faith as arbitrarily as you do.