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Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #90 on: December 20, 2012, 12:50:43 PM »

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Scoring 40 points on only 16 shots is an amazing feat at any age.  The question with older players like Pierce is whether they have the legs to come up big at the end of a grueling playoff series.

Against Lebron in 2008 when Pierce was younger, he did.  Last winter, he didn't.  It's conjecture whether PP didn't have the legs because he played too many minutes that season, or just had gotten old.

  Or because he had some type of knee injury he was playing through...

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #91 on: December 20, 2012, 01:04:02 PM »

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The Capt

20.4 pts per game / 9th in the NBA
3.6 assts per game / 47th in the NBA
5.5 rebounds per game / 68th in the NBA

Compared to the 8 players above him in scoring:

.436 FG% / 7th tie
.388 3 PT % / 5th
.818 FT % / 5th
Assts / 9th
Rebounds / 4th

The only players with more pts, more assts and more rebounds than the Capt?

Lebron and Durant

Capt vs Lebron vs Durant head to head:

FG% / .426 to .537 to .519 / Capt ranks 3rd
3 PT % / .388 to .423 to .435 / Capt ranks 3rd
FT % / .818 to .679 to .900 / The Capt ranks 2nd

Pierce is still one of the top players in the NBA and still an All-Star!

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Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #92 on: December 20, 2012, 01:28:14 PM »

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funny a 35 year old "washed up chucking" Paul Pierce is shootin da same % as James Harden who's 4th in da league in scorin at da moment

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #93 on: December 20, 2012, 02:08:03 PM »

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The Capt

20.4 pts per game / 9th in the NBA
3.6 assts per game / 47th in the NBA
5.5 rebounds per game / 68th in the NBA

Compared to the 8 players above him in scoring:

.436 FG% / 7th tie
.388 3 PT % / 5th
.818 FT % / 5th
Assts / 9th
Rebounds / 4th

The only players with more pts, more assts and more rebounds than the Capt?

Lebron and Durant

Capt vs Lebron vs Durant head to head:

FG% / .426 to .537 to .519 / Capt ranks 3rd
3 PT % / .388 to .423 to .435 / Capt ranks 3rd
FT % / .818 to .679 to .900 / The Capt ranks 2nd

Pierce is still one of the top OFFENSIVE players in the NBA and still an All-Star!

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Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #94 on: December 20, 2012, 02:11:53 PM »

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lol...at least i took the time to back up my position instead of being lazy...anyone can copy and paste...btw...when did rebounding become considered offense...am i missing something...i expect the rhetorical rationalization
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Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #95 on: December 20, 2012, 03:59:54 PM »

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.436% is not that good folks in fact, for PP isn't that low?

His lowest since the Big Three Era.   He was shooting .46% the first year RA and KG got here.   He shot .497% last year.   Sorry but a six point drop off in FG% is huge folks no matter how you sugarcoat it that is a huge drop in his efficiency as a player.   Some of this is to be expected without Ray Allen though.

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #96 on: December 20, 2012, 04:06:10 PM »

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lol...at least i took the time to back up my position instead of being lazy...anyone can copy and paste...btw...when did rebounding become considered offense...am i missing something...i expect the rhetorical rationalization

Theres no retorical rationalization

I do think he´s an All Star
I do think hes a top 5 offensive player
I do think hes good rebounding his position (size helps)
and I think hes not deffending a chair this season
the rationalization comes from watching a couple (like all) the games of the season
And yes due my lack of willingness (or time) or due the nice analysis why ruin it with more stats.
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Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #97 on: December 20, 2012, 04:06:20 PM »

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.436% is not that good folks in fact, for PP isn't that low?

His lowest since the Big Three Era.   He was shooting .46% the first year RA and KG got here.   He shot .497% last year.   Sorry but a six point drop off in FG% is huge folks no matter how you sugarcoat it that is a huge drop in his efficiency as a player.   Some of this is to be expected without Ray Allen though.

In terms of his efficiency (which takes into account three pointers with eFG%, and threes + FTs in TS%), Pierce is exactly where he was last year (.499 eFG% this year vs. .499 eFG% last year; .568 TS% vs. .567 TS% last year), and exactly in line with his career averages (.499 eFG%, .569 TS%).


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Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #98 on: December 20, 2012, 04:10:47 PM »

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.436% is not that good folks in fact, for PP isn't that low?

His lowest since the Big Three Era.   He was shooting .46% the first year RA and KG got here.   He shot .497% last year.   Sorry but a six point drop off in FG% is huge folks no matter how you sugarcoat it that is a huge drop in his efficiency as a player.   Some of this is to be expected without Ray Allen though.

  He shot .497 two years ago, .443 last year. His pre-allstar numbers were worse than what he's putting up now, both fg% and 3fg%.

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #99 on: December 20, 2012, 05:20:06 PM »

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just for good measure

blocks:

capt / 0.4
bron / 0.9
kd / 1.4

steals:

capt / 1.6
bron / 1.3
kd / 1.5

does this tell the whole story or defense...no...is it relevant...hmmm...yes...

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #100 on: December 20, 2012, 05:51:41 PM »

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The fact that we can even compare stats with our mid-30s Pierce with the two brightest young stars in the league, who happen to play the same position, bodes well for us. Kevin Durant was in 5th grade when Pierce made his NBA debut. 

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #101 on: December 20, 2012, 05:54:50 PM »

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yes pierce has gotten old....what do you expect?  he is still playing at a high level, so it shouldn't be an issue.  if people are concerned with decline in production, it isn't pierce's fault...he can't beat father time.  it is ainge's fault for not having a transition or backup plan (unless jeff green was to fill that void  :-\ )

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #102 on: December 20, 2012, 06:29:43 PM »

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In terms of his efficiency (which takes into account three pointers with eFG%, and threes + FTs in TS%), Pierce is exactly where he was last year (.499 eFG% this year vs. .499 eFG% last year; .568 TS% vs. .567 TS% last year), and exactly in line with his career averages (.499 eFG%, .569 TS%).

You have to love these made up stats that they compile. 

He is shooting 6 points worse in FG%.  That makes him less efficient in my book.

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #103 on: December 20, 2012, 07:02:34 PM »

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In terms of his efficiency (which takes into account three pointers with eFG%, and threes + FTs in TS%), Pierce is exactly where he was last year (.499 eFG% this year vs. .499 eFG% last year; .568 TS% vs. .567 TS% last year), and exactly in line with his career averages (.499 eFG%, .569 TS%).

You have to love these made up stats that they compile. 

He is shooting 6 points worse in FG%.  That makes him less efficient in my book.
but its 25 games in da season aint ova lol

Re: Sorry, but Pierce has gotten old.
« Reply #104 on: December 20, 2012, 07:04:02 PM »

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love pierce but of course this was bumped after his only great game of the season...he didn't magically get younger folks..this thread was justifiable.