break ins and robberies being stopped by guns?TP.
Crime sucks, but dead people sucks more. Murders suck.
If you take away guns, it makes it harder for the average joe robber to get his hands on one. It also makes it more expensive.
Just like the UK and Australia, the less guns there are, the less murders will occur.
The guns there are, the more power the police have to fight crime.
The pro gun crowd can't seem to acknowledge that there are countries other than the USA that have tried gun control and it has worked very well.
You can't arm everyone. That makes it even easier for a psycho to get a gun. It makes it easier for an accident to happen.
In Australia it's almost impossible for this shooter to get his hands on the guns he used without forking out thousands of dollars AND going through security checks OR being linked with SERIOUS organised crime.
It's impossible for him to get a kevlar vest because NO ONE can get them- it's not even an option for a kid to walk to school with a gun because guns just aren't there.
Once again, I don't know how many more innocent people have to die, but the rest of the world is looking at the USA as almost moronic that the American public allows this to continue. It's going to happen again, and again, and again.
Just look outside the US and read the data. Gun control works.
These statements are true, period. There's not a single non-fact in there.
It has worked for lots of countries, but the US think they're special. Well, that's how much of the world sees you too now: "special".
Ah, yes. The ol' "arrogant American" thing.
Do my brother and father hunt because they think they're better than people from other countries? No, they hunt because they enjoy it, and because they enjoy being able to pull a good piece of venison out of the freezer whenever the craving hits them. I see nothing wrong with that.
Do some people in our country keep guns in their homes because they think they're better than people from other countries? No, they do so because they want to protect themselves and their families from those who would do them harm. I see nothing wrong with that, either.
Do some American shop owners keep guns under the counter because they think they're better than people from other countries? No, they do it so that when some armed thug walks in demanding money or goods, they can give him a taste of his own medicine and protect their property.
I've written numerous posts in this thread detailing numerous reasons why guns shouldn't be banned, and I really wish people would read those and give real consideration to the points I make. It might not change your mind, but it's food for thought, which seems to be something that quite a few people want to forsake in exchange for knee-jerk reactions.
To chambers: Calling people "moronic" is a good way to ensure that they never take your advice. Also, what if some crazy person in your country DID have thousands of dollars, or what if security checks failed, or what if he WAS involved with organized crime? Where there's a will, there's a way.
To all those who want to see America ban all guns: Chances are you're glad that Mr. Obama is our president, and that he wants to make America into Europe West–socialized medicine, cars no bigger than golf carts, and complete nonexceptionalism–so I guess there's hope for you that your desire to ban guns will also take place. Though I certainly recommend not venturing into my home state of Maine with your gun-ban gospel.
Firstly, the 'moronic' statement is not being made by me, I'm passing on a general perception that the rest of the developed world has towards the US's gun laws.
I'll just let you know I am Australian, but I live between the USA and Australia. My lady is American, and she's a therapist in the CT area, she works at two centers, one of which is in Danbury, about 15 minutes from where this happened. She has patients/clients that attend this school. It's hit pretty close to home as you can imagine. I LOVE the USA.
Anyway, I can't help but think you just re-inforced my point.
If a crazy person did have thousands of dollars they'd still have a hard time sourcing a gun in Australia.
The high cost of guns is another measure in trying to prevent the problem in the first place.
You're saying 'where there's a will, there's a way'.
This person can't access these guns in Australia. Period. You need to know someone in organised crime or you need to be a police officer.
That's the only way you're getting an automatic rifle like that. Even a pistol is hard to get.
I understand very well the deeply entrenched culture of guns and protecting ones civil liberties in the USA. My wife's family are republicans from upstate New York. I've had this discussion at the dining table many a time.
I just wanted a civilised debate on the matter. On national TV.
I'm just baffled that this clown in CT, and the other clown in Colorado can get an Assault rifle that can kill that many people so easily.
Even if he had just a hand gun, we'd only have 5 or 6 (trying to put a positive spin on this) deaths compared to 27.
Why do we need assault rifles and automatic machine guns?
If they are easy to get, someone with ill intentions will get them.
As I said, it would be basically impossible for this kid to get his hands on a kevlar vest and an assault rifle in Australia.
Why can't it be the same here?
America's supposed to be the land of the free.
We're so scared of guns in the USA that people actually want to acquire more guns than the bad guys 'just in case'. That's called being scared. It's horse *&#% if I may be honest.
It's certainly not freedom. Freedom is being able to walk around your local town, send your kids to school, or go to your local movie theater with your family and never even worry about some loony unloading a high caliber gun.
Something has to change, I'm glad you agree, and I do understand where you're coming from.
I just hope that you can see that at the moment, the way it's been for the past 50 years just isn't working.
The only way it seems to work effectively in society's similar to the USA's is to limit the number of guns in the street so that you don't need a gun if someone breaks into your home because they don't have a gun and they can't get one.
They don't think to break into your home because they can't get a gun in case someone catches them in the act.
Being so scared of guns and crime in the greatest country on earth, that we must resort to getting more guns is definitely not what the founding fathers of this country wanted when they set out the constitution and the amendments.
That's not freedom, that's the crap that the homeless and politically disposed in the middle East and Africa have to deal with, Americans shouldn't have to.