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As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilcox leads the Celtics in WS/48
« on: December 10, 2012, 09:23:40 PM »
Barely, according to basketball-reference.com. .164 to KG's .162.  That would make them 35th and 37th among players with 200 or more minutes played.

Does that suggest that Wilcox is under-appreciated by some here?  Does that suggest that WS/48 is over-rated as a stat by some here?  A little from column A and a little from column B?
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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2012, 09:27:35 PM »
Sullinger and Bass are both better than Wilcox . That stat is very misleading .He is a 3rd string PF/C

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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2012, 09:53:52 PM »
Barely, according to basketball-reference.com. .164 to KG's .162.  That would make them 35th and 37th among players with 200 or more minutes played.

Does that suggest that Wilcox is under-appreciated by some here?  Does that suggest that WS/48 is over-rated as a stat by some here?  A little from column A and a little from column B?

It's unlikely that he continues to shoot 70% from the field. I suspect it's that number that's inflating his metrics.

His other numbers (particularly rebounding) are not all that impressive, and are in fact below his career averages.

That said, he did have WS/48 around 0.13 for the last two years, so he projects as a good quality option given his role and minutes.

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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2012, 09:57:02 PM »
Does that suggest that WS/48 is over-rated as a stat by some here? 
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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 10:02:31 PM »
Sullinger and Bass are both better than Wilcox . That stat is very misleading .He is a 3rd string PF/C
Wilcox is a much better defender than Sullinger, and arguably better offensively.
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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 10:04:30 PM »
Sullinger and Bass are both better than Wilcox . That stat is very misleading .He is a 3rd string PF/C
Wilcox is a much better defender than Sullinger, and arguably better offensively.
Agreed - much better defensively + a bit better offensively + Wilcox has struggled with his rebounding this season but he has been a superior rebounder to Sullinger in each of previous seasons.

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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 10:36:19 PM »
Sullinger and Bass are both better than Wilcox . That stat is very misleading .He is a 3rd string PF/C
Wilcox is a much better defender than Sullinger, and arguably better offensively.
Agreed - much better defensively + a bit better offensively + Wilcox has struggled with his rebounding this season but he has been a superior rebounder to Sullinger in each of previous seasons.

The last part - he has? Or are you being sarcastic?

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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 10:48:03 PM »
Sullinger and Bass are both better than Wilcox . That stat is very misleading .He is a 3rd string PF/C
Wilcox is a much better defender than Sullinger, and arguably better offensively.
Agreed - much better defensively + a bit better offensively + Wilcox has struggled with his rebounding this season but he has been a superior rebounder to Sullinger in each of previous seasons.
Sullinger is a decent to below average man defender on the same level as Wilcox, but his help defense and rotations have been absolutely terrible.  Wilcox is also superior in pick and roll defense and has blown Sullinger out of the water on pick and rolls at the other end.  Had he not started off injured I think his season would look a lot different so far.
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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2012, 11:07:52 PM »
Sullinger and Bass are both better than Wilcox . That stat is very misleading .He is a 3rd string PF/C
Wilcox is a much better defender than Sullinger, and arguably better offensively.
Agreed - much better defensively + a bit better offensively + Wilcox has struggled with his rebounding this season but he has been a superior rebounder to Sullinger in each of previous seasons.

The last part - he has? Or are you being sarcastic?
Wilcox has been a quality rebounder for most of his career. Wilcox has rebounded at a superior level over the last 5 or so years than what Sullinger has given Boston on the boards so far this season.

I don't know what the heck has happened to Wilcox' rebounding this season. It's been terrible. I wonder if it was the heart surgery. I don't know. Very disappointing.

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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2012, 11:11:18 PM »
Sullinger and Bass are both better than Wilcox . That stat is very misleading .He is a 3rd string PF/C
Wilcox is a much better defender than Sullinger, and arguably better offensively.
Agreed - much better defensively + a bit better offensively + Wilcox has struggled with his rebounding this season but he has been a superior rebounder to Sullinger in each of previous seasons.

Wilcox is 6 rebounds per 36 minutes this year and was 9 rebounds per 36 minutes last year. For his career wilcox is 9 rebounds per 36 minutes.

Sullinger in his rookie season in 10 rebounds per 36 minutes.

I dont see how wilcox is the superior rebounder considering sullinger is a rookie and he's putting up the equivalent of wilcox's best career numbers per 36 minutes.


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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2012, 11:19:37 PM »
Sullinger and Bass are both better than Wilcox . That stat is very misleading .He is a 3rd string PF/C
Wilcox is a much better defender than Sullinger, and arguably better offensively.
Agreed - much better defensively + a bit better offensively + Wilcox has struggled with his rebounding this season but he has been a superior rebounder to Sullinger in each of previous seasons.

Wilcox is 6 rebounds per 36 minutes this year and was 9 rebounds per 36 minutes last year. For his career wilcox is 9 rebounds per 36 minutes.

Sullinger in his rookie season in 10 rebounds per 36 minutes.

I dont see how wilcox is the superior rebounder considering sullinger is a rookie and he's putting up the equivalent of wilcox's best career numbers per 36 minutes.
Sully like most rookie big men still struggles with team rebounding. He is good at going and getting the ball but isn't consistent enough in boxing out. 

Wilcox provided better team rebounding and similar individual rebounding numbers. His rebounding has been better in the past than what Sully is doing.

Sully will improve in time and should surpass Wilcox's best rebounding years but he hasn't yet.

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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2012, 11:47:54 PM »
Barely, according to basketball-reference.com. .164 to KG's .162.  That would make them 35th and 37th among players with 200 or more minutes played.

Does that suggest that Wilcox is under-appreciated by some here?  Does that suggest that WS/48 is over-rated as a stat by some here?  A little from column A and a little from column B?

It's unlikely that he continues to shoot 70% from the field. I suspect it's that number that's inflating his metrics.

His other numbers (particularly rebounding) are not all that impressive, and are in fact below his career averages.

That said, he did have WS/48 around 0.13 for the last two years, so he projects as a good quality option given his role and minutes.

Why?  He's not going to be asked to do anything more than what he's doing now.  He's almost exclusively a finisher at the rim, and he can reasonably sustain a 70% rate on dunks and layups. 

Truthfully I think the team should throw him the ball in the post from time to time.  From the few times they've done it, he's displayed nice touch.  Not sure if he can pass, though.

I actually really like his overall skillset.  He's still very poor on rotations and we need more out of him on the glass, but he's a useful player.
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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilcox leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2012, 01:57:03 AM »
Wilcox is a hustle guy.  Generally Wilcox plays with at least 1 of Rondo,KG,Pierce-and often 2 or even all 3.

The C's are always at their best when they have at least one solid hustle guy in the game to go with the big guns.
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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilxoc leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2012, 02:27:35 AM »
Barely, according to basketball-reference.com. .164 to KG's .162.  That would make them 35th and 37th among players with 200 or more minutes played.

Does that suggest that Wilcox is under-appreciated by some here?  Does that suggest that WS/48 is over-rated as a stat by some here?  A little from column A and a little from column B?

It's unlikely that he continues to shoot 70% from the field. I suspect it's that number that's inflating his metrics.

His other numbers (particularly rebounding) are not all that impressive, and are in fact below his career averages.

That said, he did have WS/48 around 0.13 for the last two years, so he projects as a good quality option given his role and minutes.

Why?  He's not going to be asked to do anything more than what he's doing now.  He's almost exclusively a finisher at the rim, and he can reasonably sustain a 70% rate on dunks and layups. 

Truthfully I think the team should throw him the ball in the post from time to time.  From the few times they've done it, he's displayed nice touch.  Not sure if he can pass, though.

I actually really like his overall skillset.  He's still very poor on rotations and we need more out of him on the glass, but he's a useful player.

Only one player in NBA history has finished with a FG% above 70% for the year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg_pct_season.html

This is among players with qualifying attempts, but you don't need that many (usually 300 per year, or 4 per game) to qualify.

A shooting percentage this high is very unusual.

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Re: As of today (Dec 10), Chris Wilcox leads the Celtics in WS/48
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2012, 04:59:39 AM »
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+5.5 Kevin Garnett
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+3.6 Jason Terry
+2.0 Leandro Barbosa

-0.8 Jeff Green

-5.8 Jared Sullinger
-5.9 Brandon Bass
-6.2 Courtney Lee
-6.7 Chris Wilcox
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