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The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« on: December 06, 2012, 05:26:17 PM »

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All these people keep mentioning how Kobe is "right up there" with Michael. They're wrong. Kobe is a great player and a top 10 player all time (not top 5), but he simply is not better thank Larry and Magic.
Magic came out and said Kobe is the best Laker of all time (do you really believe that Magic or are you just trying to appear humble?). Im not making this thread to bash Kobe because I dont even dislike the guy. Its just annoying how they bypass the two greats who were without a doubt more complete, and all around better players than Kobe is.

anyways for the record, here is my top 10

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Wilt
4a. Bird
4b. Magic
6. Kareem
7. Kobe
8. Olajuwon
9. Shaq
10. Oscar Robertson

Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2012, 05:30:51 PM »

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I'm not really convinced he's even better than Dr. J.
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Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2012, 05:35:47 PM »

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Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2012, 05:38:58 PM »

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Kobe is top 15. I don't even have him over SHAQ. Shaq was a more dominate player than kobe and he was the man on those lakers teams.

Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2012, 05:47:08 PM »

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  I don't see why he'd be seen as having a better career than Duncan or Garnett. I'd also say that, while he's had a much longer career, he's not a better player than LeBron especially at the same stage of his career.

Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2012, 05:52:11 PM »

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I'm glad yet shocked to see most of you not buying into the kobe hype. Hes great but once you try to put him top 3 or top 5 or *gasp* the greatest to ever play the game, he quickly becomes one of the most overrated players of all time.

Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2012, 06:12:04 PM »

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Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2012, 01:01:35 AM »

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Off the top of my head, I'd say he's one of the very best players to have spent their entire careers on one team.
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Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2012, 01:26:07 AM »

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Based on superficial numbers, the media has a great case. but I dont think its as strong as the numbers might suggest.

Kobe is difficult to gauge. despite his MVP and 5 titles and memorable performances and scorig acumen, Kobe still played with Shaq, when Shaq was the best player in the NBA. Never was Bird, Magic, or MJ the second best player on their own team.

But it's not like they did it alone either. We all know Larry's supporting all-star casts, but MJ had Pippen and Rodman for 3 titles, Magic had what, 3 other HOFers for 3 of his titles?

But none of them had a player who was as dominant as Shaq. And, in an expanded league. I don't think it's wrong to say Kobe is in Magic and Larry's class, but to say with certainty that he's better, erroneous.

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Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 01:46:45 AM »

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Based on superficial numbers, the media has a great case. but I dont think its as strong as the numbers might suggest.

Kobe is difficult to gauge. despite his MVP and 5 titles and memorable performances and scorig acumen, Kobe still played with Shaq, when Shaq was the best player in the NBA. Never was Bird, Magic, or MJ the second best player on their own team.

But it's not like they did it alone either. We all know Larry's supporting all-star casts, but MJ had Pippen and Rodman for 3 titles, Magic had what, 3 other HOFers for 3 of his titles?

But none of them had a player who was as dominant as Shaq. And, in an expanded league. I don't think it's wrong to say Kobe is in Magic and Larry's class, but to say with certainty that he's better, erroneous.

people forget how dominant shaq was. his play alone made all those rule changes.

Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 02:49:21 AM »

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I don't see how you can have Kobe over Hakeem. Hakeem, while fasting for Ramadan, destroyed David Robinson, reigning MVP, and Robinson said it was the best game he had ever seen. The dream mentored Kobe. The dream is better, considerably.

Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 03:26:08 AM »

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I'm not sure if Kobe is even Top 10 for me, to be honest.
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 04:13:42 AM »

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funny seeing what Celtics fans say about one of the greatest Lakers of all time.
Someone suggested he's not as good as Dr J?
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Without Kobe, Shaq's not beating the Kings or Garnetts T wolves or those Spurs teams. It's a two way street. I doubt Jordan is winning many rings without Pippen.

Kobe will go down as one of the GOAT's.
He's amazing even if he is a POS Laker scumbag.
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Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 04:22:49 AM »

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I'm not sure if Kobe is even Top 10 for me, to be honest.
Agree; mine is
MJ
Bill
Wilt
4a bird
B magic
Hakeem
Kareem
Oscar rob
Shaq
Tim Duncan
11th Kobe

Re: The media considers Kobe better than Larry and Magic
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2012, 04:27:59 AM »

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But none of them had a player who was as dominant as Shaq. And, in an expanded league. I don't think it's wrong to say Kobe is in Magic and Larry's class, but to say with certainty that he's better, erroneous.

  I'd say it's pretty wrong to say Kobe was in Bird and Magic's class. Did you watch the 80s? The main reason Bird didn't win 4 straight MVPs was the voters got tired of giving it to him. People spent much of his prime discussing whether he was the best ever, something *nobody* was saying about Kobe (outside of LA at least). And it's not just homerism, Magic was in Bird's class, Kobe's just as far from that level.