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Paul Pierce's Defense.
« on: December 04, 2012, 09:38:34 AM »

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It seems to me he is really struggling. Defensive ability tends to drop off before scoring ability does and it looks like that is happening. Guys he is guarding are torching us. He was never that quick anyway and now he is really lumbering around out there. There is now much we can do about it as Green has shown reason why he should be starting unfortunately. My hope is he hangs em up after this season so we can amnesty him.

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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 09:56:25 AM »

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Pierce will turn it around soon enough. 


Celtics still need Pierce this season and next. 


Otherwise, they need to blow it up and rebuild around Rondo. 


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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 10:02:44 AM »

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Pierce will turn it around soon enough. 


Celtics still need Pierce this season and next. 


Otherwise, they need to blow it up and rebuild around Rondo.

While we know Pierce will be there when we need him, I also think there is reason to believe he is what he is defensively at this point.  He still is incredibly smart, and can really play tough when he wants to...but I also think he has lost more than a step over the last couple of years. 

Pierce is certainly still good enough to be an important player on this team, but we just can't expect him to carry the team on both ends like he has at times in the past.  That job needs to fall on Rondo, and perhaps some of the other guys stepping up to pick up the slack. 

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 10:07:45 AM »

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I think it seems worse than it is since he's gotten broken in two consecutive games.

I think Paul and KG are very aware that they need to peak at playoff time. I think they know what they're doing, although I'd much rather have PP play fewer minutes harder.

Last year I remember watching the wolves game (which wasn't until March) and realizing that KG had a whole other gear he hadn't even touched yet.

I'd love the same thing from pierce this year, especially since he CAN rest as Green seems to play better with more minutes.

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2012, 10:09:32 AM »

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It seems to me he is really struggling. Defensive ability tends to drop off before scoring ability does and it looks like that is happening. Guys he is guarding are torching us. He was never that quick anyway and now he is really lumbering around out there. There is now much we can do about it as Green has shown reason why he should be starting unfortunately. My hope is he hangs em up after this season so we can amnesty him.
I am much more concerned about his propensity to dribble into traffic and cough the ball up.
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 10:22:00 AM »

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I am much more concerned about his propensity to dribble into traffic and cough the ball up.

Yes! How much of this is him not getting calls he's used to? I see Paul barreling into a group of 3 or 4 opposing players and I just assume there's going to be a whistle.

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2012, 10:37:29 AM »

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I am much more concerned about his propensity to dribble into traffic and cough the ball up.

Yes! How much of this is him not getting calls he's used to? I see Paul barreling into a group of 3 or 4 opposing players and I just assume there's going to be a whistle.

That's because he is not beating his man to the spot like he used to. 

This is something that I think people miss, when it comes to complaining about the refs.  There is a reason guys like Lebron, and a younger Pierce always got the calls.  They are just so quick, that defenders are never in position on them, so when the contact is made, it is a defensive foul.

Now, Pierce has lost just enough of a step that when that contact is made, more and more, the defender actually has a right to the spot, because they beat him to it, so its either a no-call or an offensive foul.

I do think Pierce knows this though, which is why he has been taking more jumpers, and has evolved as a player into more of a jumpshooter over the last couple of years.  Although it is an issue with the team, because they need someone (Rondo?) to create those shots at the end of games, that Pierce used to make.

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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 10:45:14 AM »

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I think his knee is bothering him.  If his defense continues this way I'd rather start green (which DOES NOT mean Green is a better player).  Our starters run run run, we post green up on opposing sf.  Second unit is anchored by PP who would have bradley or lee with him to help on defense and paul would "run" the offense.  Limit his minutes AND make the team better as a whole.

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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 10:58:34 AM »

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I think his knee is bothering him.  If his defense continues this way I'd rather start green (which DOES NOT mean Green is a better player).  Our starters run run run, we post green up on opposing sf.  Second unit is anchored by PP who would have bradley or lee with him to help on defense and paul would "run" the offense.  Limit his minutes AND make the team better as a whole.
After watching him in Rondo's absense, I definitely don't want PP running the offense.  he's become very turnover-prone and his ballhandling skills have noticeably declined.

He's not as bad as Ray was the past couple of years but he's getting there quick.

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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 10:59:35 AM »

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I think his knee is bothering him.  If his defense continues this way I'd rather start green (which DOES NOT mean Green is a better player).  Our starters run run run, we post green up on opposing sf.  Second unit is anchored by PP who would have bradley or lee with him to help on defense and paul would "run" the offense.  Limit his minutes AND make the team better as a whole.
After watching him in Rondo's absense, I definitely don't want PP running the offense.  he's become very turnover-prone and his ballhandling skills have noticeably declined.

He's not as bad as Ray was the past couple of years but he's getting there quick.
Paul's always been turnover prone, so is Rondo for what its worth.

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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 11:04:12 AM »

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I haven't noticed any drop off in Pierce and if there has been one I don't think it will be a season long thing. I mean remember kg last year?

Side note- does anyone else find it funny that for the last 5 years every year people talk about how much Pierce has slimmed down and how fit he looks and explosive?

To me its just the same old Pierce (in a good way) every year.

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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 11:08:15 AM »

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I think his knee is bothering him.  If his defense continues this way I'd rather start green (which DOES NOT mean Green is a better player).  Our starters run run run, we post green up on opposing sf.  Second unit is anchored by PP who would have bradley or lee with him to help on defense and paul would "run" the offense.  Limit his minutes AND make the team better as a whole.
After watching him in Rondo's absense, I definitely don't want PP running the offense.  he's become very turnover-prone and his ballhandling skills have noticeably declined.

He's not as bad as Ray was the past couple of years but he's getting there quick.
Paul's always been turnover prone, so is Rondo for what its worth.

  Rondo has one of the best assist/turnover ratios in the league every year.

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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 11:30:28 AM »

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Pierce's defense is underrated, I think he's doing a great job, staying in front of guys, moving laterally, rebounding
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 12:17:22 PM »

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I am much more concerned about his propensity to dribble into traffic and cough the ball up.

Yes! How much of this is him not getting calls he's used to? I see Paul barreling into a group of 3 or 4 opposing players and I just assume there's going to be a whistle.

This was a big observation from me as well. Especially in the Nets game. He continually drove to the basket with no whistle anywhere. I couldnt believe it.

Hes getting older and slower and that is very noticable. Falling down in traffic a lot and coughing up some weird turnovers. Still want him on my squad though, no questions asked.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 12:30:58 PM »

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Defensively, I trust Paul Pierce in big moments.  Maybe he's noticeably slower than he was in, say, 2004, but he's about the same guy, athletically speaking, that he's he's been since the 2009 season as far as I can tell.  He's a ridiculously smart and skilled basketball player on both ends of the court.  Personally, unless he suffers another serious injury, I'm not too worried about him.

As far as the turnovers when driving through traffic go, those have always been something you accept as a part of Paul Pierce's game.  And, fans have always complained about it.  The way I see it, this is something that we need to accept as a by-product of his aggressiveness. 
If he stops going to the hard into the lane, then those turnovers will decrease.  I don't want him to ever stop going hard into the lane. 

 

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