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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2012, 02:22:45 AM »

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I'm not for signing KMart unless we make a trade and move Bass/Sully. I think another undersized big isn't really something we need at the moment. Unfortunately if we move Bass or Sully we'll probably get a big in return so we still wouldn't need KMart.

I want Jason Thompson, Paul Millsap, JJ Hickson or Anderson Varejao.

Paul Millsap is an undersized power forward who is listed at approximately the same height and weight as Brandon Bass.  Anderson Varejao and JJ Hickson may be closer to what is considered as ideal size for a power forward, but both are currently functioning as undersized starting centers.

Varejao isn't undersized for a center at 6'11'' and 250+
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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2012, 02:54:10 AM »

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Kmart may still have some game left, but is such an officiating lighting rod I honestly don't think the celts can risk bringing him in.

And yes the nba officials are that bias that it has to weigh into Danny's decision...  Nice legacy, David
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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2012, 04:58:07 AM »

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I'm not for signing KMart unless we make a trade and move Bass/Sully. I think another undersized big isn't really something we need at the moment. Unfortunately if we move Bass or Sully we'll probably get a big in return so we still wouldn't need KMart.

I want Jason Thompson, Paul Millsap, JJ Hickson or Anderson Varejao.

Paul Millsap is an undersized power forward who is listed at approximately the same height and weight as Brandon Bass.  Anderson Varejao and JJ Hickson may be closer to what is considered as ideal size for a power forward, but both are currently functioning as undersized starting centers.

Varejao isn't undersized for a center at 6'11'' and 250+

Some sources (the sort that tend to not update their numbers from when a player enters the league) have him listed at 6'10" and 230, or around Chris Wilcox-sized.  Did he grow or is that just the hair? 
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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2012, 05:18:36 AM »

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I'm not for signing KMart unless we make a trade and move Bass/Sully. I think another undersized big isn't really something we need at the moment. Unfortunately if we move Bass or Sully we'll probably get a big in return so we still wouldn't need KMart.

I want Jason Thompson, Paul Millsap, JJ Hickson or Anderson Varejao.

Paul Millsap is an undersized power forward who is listed at approximately the same height and weight as Brandon Bass.  Anderson Varejao and JJ Hickson may be closer to what is considered as ideal size for a power forward, but both are currently functioning as undersized starting centers.

Varejao isn't undersized for a center at 6'11'' and 250+

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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2012, 06:24:23 AM »

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sure bring him in. It will complete the geriatic Team.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2012, 07:12:18 AM »

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sure bring him in. It will complete the geriatic Team.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=228579
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html

Apparently basketball reference has weighted average age by minutes.

http://www.thetwomangame.com/2011/03/senescence/

Analysis of champion teams in the past ten years by the same metric. A bit on the older side but not at all geriatric.
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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2012, 07:15:00 AM »

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I have no issue with waiting to see if something better comes along. 


There is not rush for his services at the moment.


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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 07:55:29 AM »

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I'm not for signing KMart unless we make a trade and move Bass/Sully. I think another undersized big isn't really something we need at the moment. Unfortunately if we move Bass or Sully we'll probably get a big in return so we still wouldn't need KMart.

I want Jason Thompson, Paul Millsap, JJ Hickson or Anderson Varejao.

Paul Millsap is an undersized power forward who is listed at approximately the same height and weight as Brandon Bass.  Anderson Varejao and JJ Hickson may be closer to what is considered as ideal size for a power forward, but both are currently functioning as undersized starting centers.

Varejao isn't undersized for a center at 6'11'' and 250+

Trust me, it's the hair.

The hair makes him over 7 feet tall :)
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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2012, 08:20:52 AM »

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I would be wary about his age and undersized. I like his game though and I think he would give us good toughness. However another undersized big who has no above the rim game (anymore for Kmart) doesnt appeal to me as much as other options would.


Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2012, 08:29:19 AM »

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Paul Millsap is an undersized power forward who is listed at approximately the same height and weight as Brandon Bass.  Anderson Varejao and JJ Hickson may be closer to what is considered as ideal size for a power forward, but both are currently functioning as undersized starting centers.

Millsap might be the same height/weight as Brandon Bass but he plays like a big instead of a wing. While competing for minutes Millsap is averaging 14/8 over 30 minutes. Compare that to Bass's 10/5 in 28 minutes with far less competition at his position.

Oh and Millsap is in a contract year which not only means he has a reason to play harder but it also means we might have some cap space when the season is over.

Varejao shouldn't even need a defense. Statistically he's the best front court player in the eastern conference this season. The only guys close are Noah and Bosh. That is reasonable company for a guy making 7.7M.

Thompson is probably out of reach for what we'd offer but he'd be a steal if we can land him.

Oh second though I don't want Hickson.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2012, 08:58:13 AM »

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Last season, Martin shot 44.1% from the field and 37.0% on free throws while averaging 4.3 rpg or 6.9 rebounds per 36 minutes.  I'm just not convinced he is worth signing.


This is the key with Martin.  If he was the Kenyon Martin of 10 years ago, you sign him without a second thought and deal with anything that may arise.  However, he just isn't an impact player anymore.  He may not be as good as the guys you already have, and could then just be an extra headache with no real advantage.

It would be different if the C's really were desperate for help, but they really aren't.  They need to continue improving with their team defense and rebounding, but there aren't many guys on the street who are going to come in and make a big difference with that right now...any more than the improvement of guys becoming more comfortable in the system will. 

Yes, the C's may need to get an upgrade in the frontcourt if they want to really have a good shot at a championship, but that is not Kenyon Martin (nor is it Chris Andersen, or anyone else currently out there).

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2012, 09:07:14 AM »

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Paul Millsap is an undersized power forward who is listed at approximately the same height and weight as Brandon Bass.  Anderson Varejao and JJ Hickson may be closer to what is considered as ideal size for a power forward, but both are currently functioning as undersized starting centers.

Millsap might be the same height/weight as Brandon Bass but he plays like a big instead of a wing. While competing for minutes Millsap is averaging 14/8 over 30 minutes. Compare that to Bass's 10/5 in 28 minutes with far less competition at his position.

Oh and Millsap is in a contract year which not only means he has a reason to play harder but it also means we might have some cap space when the season is over.

Varejao shouldn't even need a defense. Statistically he's the best front court player in the eastern conference this season. The only guys close are Noah and Bosh. That is reasonable company for a guy making 7.7M.

Thompson is probably out of reach for what we'd offer but he'd be a steal if we can land him.

Oh second though I don't want Hickson.

They both might be currently fuctioning as undersized centers, but man are they sure playing [dang] good basketball. AV more so than Hickson. As much as Ive always disliked AV, I would be more than happy to get him here as an undersized center, power forward, 6th man, or new mascot for all I care.


Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2012, 09:18:24 AM »

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I find it funny that anyone would want Jason Thompson on this C's team.  He makes Mark Blount look tough. 

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2012, 09:26:51 AM »

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all this about kmart. i dont mind the celtics signing him since he would serve AT MOST as a back up to the celtics' backup big men.

how many minutes do you think he would average over the course or a season? how many "dnp  coach's decision" would he rack up?

at best, he is a nice defensive big man who no longer can score or rebound with consistency.

if any believes he will in any way transform the celtics front court play they will be disappointed.

ainge must think that he can do better if he waits. let's see if he is right.
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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2012, 09:36:44 AM »

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Chris Andersen is better in every way (other than shooting).  If we're going after guys with questionable states of mind he should have been the first option, not KMart and Darko.
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