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Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« on: December 02, 2012, 10:39:33 PM »

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Just came across this article on NBC's probasketball

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The Celtics are going to be patient filling their roster because there is not a plethora of quality big men on the market to help immediately with rebounding. They are wary of the attitude and disposition of Kenyon Martin, who was not asked back to the Clippers because of his unhappiness with coach Vinny Del Negro. They may wait to see who’s available as of Jan. 5, when contracts become fully guaranteed for the season.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/02/celtics-wary-of-bringing-in-kenyon-martin-to-fill-teams-roster-spot/

Viewers can click on link and read the rest of story. So here's my problem with the Celtics being reluctant to sign Martin. The Celtics are in serious trouble with their front court depth. As currently constructed, the Celtics are too small and too offensive minded. They're being destroyed on the offensive and defensive boards, because they don't have a big man or men that can guard the paint and rebound effectively.

Everyone in and outside of Celtics Nation can see the Celtics struggles. Poor rebounding, defending and lack of energy is what is hurting the Celtics and why they're 9-8, sinking in the conference standings. Personally, I'm not a fan of some Danny Ainge's past or present signings. I think at times, Ainge has done nothing to address the Celtics recent flaws. 

Ainge's best off-season: 2007, 2010
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Why are the Celtics holding out, who knows, but the Celtics need to do minor tweeking to this roster before it's too late.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 11:06:52 PM »

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Last season, Martin shot 44.1% from the field and 37.0% on free throws while averaging 4.3 rpg or 6.9 rebounds per 36 minutes.  I'm just not convinced he is worth signing.

I think the best thing is to keep with the current roster and more or less force Doc to give Sullinger minutes by giving him no other options.  If Ainge brought in Martin, I think his minutes would come at the expense of Sullinger and not Bass or Wilcox.  If it becomes obvious that Sullinger has plateaued for the season and is just not going to improve on defense to a level the team is happy with, then you can bring in someone like Martin if you think he will upgrade the D.
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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 09:52:58 PM »

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The fact that a healthy K-Mart can't get any NBA team to take him, despite him practically begging for a roster spot, tells me that when a ****bag with talent gets older and less talented, it isn't worth it for teams to deal with the ****bag when they're not getting the talent anymore.

There are plenty of solid citizens who can be the Celtics 5th big and not cause any waves in the locker room, coaches room, or front office.  Like Chris Wilcox, for example, someone who his teammates have grown very fond of in a short period of time. 

The only reason I add K Mart is if I want to bring in some toughness.  However, I think that we can get that toughness from Sully as he gets acclimated to the league, and one of the keys to the Cs' playoff success is getting Sully as an impact guy in the playoffs.  Sullinger needs his minutes.   

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2012, 09:59:52 PM »

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The fact that a healthy K-Mart can't get any NBA team to take him, despite him practically begging for a roster spot, tells me that when a ****bag with talent gets older and less talented, it isn't worth it for teams to deal with the ****bag when they're not getting the talent anymore.

There are plenty of solid citizens who can be the Celtics 5th big and not cause any waves in the locker room, coaches room, or front office.  Like Chris Wilcox, for example, someone who his teammates have grown very fond of in a short period of time. 

The only reason I add K Mart is if I want to bring in some toughness.  However, I think that we can get that toughness from Sully as he gets acclimated to the league, and one of the keys to the Cs' playoff success is getting Sully as an impact guy in the playoffs.  Sullinger needs his minutes.


Although i completely agree with these sentiments here TripleOT, to be fair to K-Mart i don't think anyone on the Clippers is enamored with Del Negro.

I think i heard just the other day they all held a closed door meeting over this very subject (the unhappines with Del Negro) so im a little unsure as to what i should beleive.

But i do agree that when a player gets older and has less upside all teams in the league are less willing to deal with the shenanigans that comes with some of the higher maintenance personalities.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 10:08:42 PM »

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Although i completely agree with these sentiments here TripleOT, to be fair to K-Mart i don't think anyone on the Clippers is enamored with Del Negro.

I think i heard just the other day they all held a closed door meeting over this very subject (the unhappines with Del Negro) so im a little unsure as to what i should beleive.

But i do agree that when a player gets older and has less upside all teams in the league are less willing to deal with the shenanigans that comes with some of the higher maintenance personalities.

How great would it be if DelNegro got fired and Phil Jackson hired to coach the Clippers this season? 

Although I can't imagine Sterling ponying up to pay Jax, it would be the ultimate F.U. to the Lakers. 

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 10:21:33 PM »

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Although i completely agree with these sentiments here TripleOT, to be fair to K-Mart i don't think anyone on the Clippers is enamored with Del Negro.

I think i heard just the other day they all held a closed door meeting over this very subject (the unhappines with Del Negro) so im a little unsure as to what i should beleive.

But i do agree that when a player gets older and has less upside all teams in the league are less willing to deal with the shenanigans that comes with some of the higher maintenance personalities.

How great would it be if DelNegro got fired and Phil Jackson hired to coach the Clippers this season? 

Although I can't imagine Sterling ponying up to pay Jax, it would be the ultimate F.U. to the Lakers.


Very true although it's Sterling we're talking about here.. And i don't wanna see any team from La La Land doing well.

Phil's whole schtick is better received on the West Coast for obvious reasons, and i like that they are loaded and underachieving. The fact they are holding these closed door player meetings tells me they are well aware of this. I just don't want them to hit their stride at the Celtics expense.
Although admittedley that is far down the road (cross your fingers) but i despise Paul now and Griffin and all his animated posturing just makes me yearn for someone to lay him out mid-air.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 10:47:10 PM »

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Although i completely agree with these sentiments here TripleOT, to be fair to K-Mart i don't think anyone on the Clippers is enamored with Del Negro.

I think i heard just the other day they all held a closed door meeting over this very subject (the unhappines with Del Negro) so im a little unsure as to what i should beleive.

But i do agree that when a player gets older and has less upside all teams in the league are less willing to deal with the shenanigans that comes with some of the higher maintenance personalities.

How great would it be if DelNegro got fired and Phil Jackson hired to coach the Clippers this season? 

Although I can't imagine Sterling ponying up to pay Jax, it would be the ultimate F.U. to the Lakers.


Very true although it's Sterling we're talking about here.. And i don't wanna see any team from La La Land doing well.

Phil's whole schtick is better received on the West Coast for obvious reasons, and i like that they are loaded and underachieving. The fact they are holding these closed door player meetings tells me they are well aware of this. I just don't want them to hit their stride at the Celtics expense.
Although admittedley that is far down the road (cross your fingers) but i despise Paul now and Griffin and all his animated posturing just makes me yearn for someone to lay him out mid-air.

Do you realize how much the Lakers and their fans would hate it if the Clips under Jax won the title?  It would be a great moment for Celtics fans.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend. 

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 10:59:02 PM »

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I see where your going. I do. But i hate EVERYTHING LA. The fact they get players to just land in their laps for the weather and lifestyle kills me. The surfer west coast bias kills me. I despise it all.

They are spoiled but will never acknowledge it. We over here actually have to put together Championship squads through good GMing, Good coaching, and tradition. We don't have weather and an entire media geared simply to the Celtics like they do in LA.

It's very much an unfair fight yet we're simply ahead still. That in itself is a small miracle.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2012, 11:56:48 PM »

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Kenyon would be better than Collins unless we really need post defense, but not by much. Offensively both are disasters.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 12:03:47 AM »

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Personality issues aside, Kenyon was pretty awful last year by pretty much any metric.

There's a good chance he's just flat out cooked. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 12:20:21 AM »

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Last season, Martin shot 44.1% from the field and 37.0% on free throws while averaging 4.3 rpg or 6.9 rebounds per 36 minutes.  I'm just not convinced he is worth signing.

I think the best thing is to keep with the current roster and more or less force Doc to give Sullinger minutes by giving him no other options.  If Ainge brought in Martin, I think his minutes would come at the expense of Sullinger and not Bass or Wilcox.  If it becomes obvious that Sullinger has plateaued for the season and is just not going to improve on defense to a level the team is happy with, then you can bring in someone like Martin if you think he will upgrade the D.

You summed up my biggest fear. Let's not give Doc too many options...Sully needs his minutes.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 01:16:08 AM »

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I'm not for signing KMart unless we make a trade and move Bass/Sully. I think another undersized big isn't really something we need at the moment. Unfortunately if we move Bass or Sully we'll probably get a big in return so we still wouldn't need KMart.

I want Jason Thompson, Paul Millsap, JJ Hickson or Anderson Varejao. I'll even take Luke Walton's corpse to get Varejao. It would take Green and another middle-to-large contract to make the money work but then we'd have to pursue a SF backup option after moving Green. We could try get C.J. Miles into the deal as well and swap a rookie for him. I'd prefer to move Melo and I imagine the Cavs would prefer him too after moving Varejao. They aren't exactly hurting at PF so I suspect they'll want Lee instead of Bass. That would be a deal breaker for me.

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And at that point KMart won't be necessary.

Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 01:49:01 AM »

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I'm not for signing KMart unless we make a trade and move Bass/Sully. I think another undersized big isn't really something we need at the moment. Unfortunately if we move Bass or Sully we'll probably get a big in return so we still wouldn't need KMart.

I want Jason Thompson, Paul Millsap, JJ Hickson or Anderson Varejao.

Paul Millsap is an undersized power forward who is listed at approximately the same height and weight as Brandon Bass.  Anderson Varejao and JJ Hickson may be closer to what is considered as ideal size for a power forward, but both are currently functioning as undersized starting centers.
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Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 01:59:11 AM »

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I see where your going. I do. But i hate EVERYTHING LA. The fact they get players to just land in their laps for the weather and lifestyle kills me. The surfer west coast bias kills me. I despise it all.

They are spoiled but will never acknowledge it. We over here actually have to put together Championship squads through good GMing, Good coaching, and tradition. We don't have weather and an entire media geared simply to the Celtics like they do in LA.

It's very much an unfair fight yet we're simply ahead still. That in itself is a small miracle.
spoken with a punch like a true hooligan lol


Re: Celtics ‘wary’ of bringing in Kenyon Martin
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 02:17:29 AM »

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This article is nonsense.

There's no way anyone can hate on K-Mart for disliking Vinny Del  Negro.
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