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Offline OttawaCeltic

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Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« on: December 01, 2012, 09:45:35 AM »
I am not a Green defender or anything, but for the sake of accuracy, let's look at his game logs.

It is tough to really define what  a "good" game is versus a bad one, but I gave it a shot.

Here are his good games this season:

19 pts / 3 rebounds / 2 assists / 4 steals / 1 block (vs Portland)
17 pts / 2 rebounds / 1 steal / 1 block (vs OKC)
9 pts / 2 rebounds / 2 assists (vs Toronto)
16 pts / 4 rebounds / 2 assists (vs Utah)
7 pts / 5 rebounds (vs Chicago, only 15 minutes of action)
12 pts / 3 rebounds / 1 steal / 2 blocks (vs Milwaukee)
11 pts / 2 rebounds / 1 steal (vs Washington)
11 pts / 1 rebound / 2 steals / 1 block (vs. Milwaukee)

So that's 8 good games by my fairly arbitrary standards. In these 8 games, he is averaging:

12.75 pts / 2.75 rebounds / .75 assists / 1.125 steals / .625 blocks

In his other 8 games, the bad ones, he is averaging

4 pts / 2.4 rebounds / .75 assists / .125 steals / .375 blocks

The Celtics are 7-1 in Jeff's good games, and 2-6 in his bad games.
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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 11:06:42 AM »
yes, I think he is. last night is the reason green is being paid 9million$...the guy is freakishly athletic and with a couple of moves can generally get by his man.

the thing is he has to KEEP doing it, and do it consistently.

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 11:40:54 AM »
As Ive been saying all season, when Green gets big minutes he can produce like this. He needs to be in the game for long stretches because he will never be an instant offense guy, he needs minutes to get into his rhythm. Last night he played the entire 2nd quarter and he had his best stretch of basketball this season.

 He is never going to be able to produce in spurts of 3 and 4 minutes at a time but if we can find him minutes to leave him in for long stretches he is going to continue to play like this.
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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 11:45:54 AM »
reduce PP minutes. Does Doc have the guts?

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2012, 11:49:13 AM »
reduce PP minutes. Does Doc have the guts?

He wouldn't even play Darko. I doubt it.
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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2012, 11:50:07 AM »
reduce PP minutes. Does Doc have the guts?

He wouldn't even play Darko. I doubt it.
What makes you think Darko was any good?

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2012, 11:59:15 AM »
reduce PP minutes. Does Doc have the guts?

He wouldn't even play Darko. I doubt it.
What makes you think Darko was any good?

Thank you for asking that.  Darko's performance on the court (at all of his stops) never measured up with the expectations of many on this forum.

There really is no evidence that Darko was any good.

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2012, 12:02:45 PM »
reduce PP minutes. Does Doc have the guts?

Doc had the guts to bench Ray for the rest of the season over a 2nd year guy.

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 12:03:49 PM »
I think he needs to produce for us to be successful, but he's not the "X-Factor."  As long as he gives us 10-12 points, 5-7 rebounds, and solid defense, he'll be fine.  He''s certainly not trash.

They keys to this year are health and chemistry.  Keeping our guys on the court is a given, but chemistry takes time.  One of the main reasons we were able to compete the last five years was because Rondo, KG, Pierce, and Allen developed great on-court chemistry.  This year's squad needs to find a rhythm in order to compete for the chip.

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2012, 12:04:33 PM »
As Ive been saying all season, when Green gets big minutes he can produce like this. He needs to be in the game for long stretches because he will never be an instant offense guy, he needs minutes to get into his rhythm. Last night he played the entire 2nd quarter and he had his best stretch of basketball this season.

 He is never going to be able to produce in spurts of 3 and 4 minutes at a time but if we can find him minutes to leave him in for long stretches he is going to continue to play like this.

  I didn't see much of the game although I did see some of Green's play. But you have to ask, does he do well when he gets more minutes, or does he get more minutes because he was playing well?

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2012, 12:20:34 PM »
I am not a Green defender or anything, but for the sake of accuracy, let's look at his game logs.

It is tough to really define what  a "good" game is versus a bad one, but I gave it a shot.

Here are his good games this season:

19 pts / 3 rebounds / 2 assists / 4 steals / 1 block (vs Portland)
17 pts / 2 rebounds / 1 steal / 1 block (vs OKC)
9 pts / 2 rebounds / 2 assists (vs Toronto)
16 pts / 4 rebounds / 2 assists (vs Utah)
7 pts / 5 rebounds (vs Chicago, only 15 minutes of action)
12 pts / 3 rebounds / 1 steal / 2 blocks (vs Milwaukee)
11 pts / 2 rebounds / 1 steal (vs Washington)
11 pts / 1 rebound / 2 steals / 1 block (vs. Milwaukee)

So that's 8 good games by my fairly arbitrary standards. In these 8 games, he is averaging:

12.75 pts / 2.75 rebounds / .75 assists / 1.125 steals / .625 blocks

In his other 8 games, the bad ones, he is averaging

4 pts / 2.4 rebounds / .75 assists / .125 steals / .375 blocks

The Celtics are 7-1 in Jeff's good games, and 2-6 in his bad games.

What concerns me about his bad games is that they were against the superior teams, the teams that we really need him for (except for Det and Orl):

MIA
Phil
Brooklyn
Brooklyn
SA
Orlando
Detroit

The only quality team that he had a good game against is OKC, and that was kind of a "see what you gave up" message from him to his old team.

He obviously has the talent, that's every night. But he doesn't have the fire that he brought against his former team every night.

KG has got to make him cry like Big Baby. That seemed to work for Davis, maybe it will work for Green.

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2012, 12:26:16 PM »
He is an X-factor who sometimes plays like trash.

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2012, 12:28:07 PM »
reduce PP minutes. Does Doc have the guts?

I 'm now on the bandwagon for Green starting at few games to see if it helps , and Pierce comming off the bench.  Pierce is still "KING" and most important , but.... Green just seems to have trouble comming in cold . It might be better to get GREEN off to a good start and then play Pierce , who can seem to turn up the wick sooner.

Might be that if Green is provide offense the Celtics expect...he may have to start some.

DOC should AT LEAST give it a shot a few games and see what happens. ???? ???


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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2012, 01:00:05 PM »
reduce PP minutes. Does Doc have the guts?

I 'm now on the bandwagon for Green starting at few games to see if it helps , and Pierce comming off the bench.  Pierce is still "KING" and most important , but.... Green just seems to have trouble comming in cold . It might be better to get GREEN off to a good start and then play Pierce , who can seem to turn up the wick sooner.

Might be that if Green is provide offense the Celtics expect...he may have to start some.

DOC should AT LEAST give it a shot a few games and see what happens. ???? ???

I agree with this. I also agree with the OP yesterday who suggested Green start alongside Pierce at the 2-3.

On D, Green has the athleticism to guard the opponents 2. On O, one of Pierce/Green could post up and present problems for the 2 who is guarding them or just shoot over them. If the opponent has a big 2, like Joe Johnson, that's a or better matchup for us than Lee/Jet or even Bradley on him.

When Pierce gets tired, move Green to the 3, bring in Jet and we're good to go.

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Re: Is Jeff Green Boston's Real X-Factor Or "Trash"?
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2012, 01:07:40 PM »
We need Jeff Green to be more consistent, and that will come with time.
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