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Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #120 on: November 29, 2012, 10:24:01 PM »

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their coach got balls ours... well you be the judge. ;D i love how pop got to courage to really play his rookies and role players.

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #121 on: November 29, 2012, 10:31:07 PM »

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-Better Coaching

-Strong international scouting and investment (compared to none for the C's)

-Better planning/Long term vision (investing in guys like splitter and scola even if they won't come over for 1-2 years)

-Ability to trade vets for draft picks instead of overpaying for soon to be FAs (george hill turned into kawhi leonard).

-Better Drafting (blair, leonard)

-Better scouting/signing of unproven young guys/d leaugers (green, neal)

-Better cap management (i.e. no green type deal and no year to year patching like Wallace/JO. Their FA signings are smarter, more impactful, less "name brand," and have impact over more seasons.)

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2012, 10:54:20 PM »

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They can give the Heat a game without 6 of their top guys.  Not sure we could give the Heat a game if THEY were without 6 of their top guys.

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #123 on: November 29, 2012, 11:14:25 PM »

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They can give the Heat a game without 6 of their top guys.  Not sure we could give the Heat a game if THEY were without 6 of their top guys.

thats just depressing... and the scary part is its true...

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #124 on: November 29, 2012, 11:40:51 PM »

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Was going to post something in more detail on this topic, but I accidentally hit the back button on my browser.

I'ts as simple as this. 

The Spurs are clicking right now because of the continuity they have. 

The Celtics are struggling right now because of all the turnover they had in the offseason.

Obviously there is a lot more to it, but simply put that's it right there.

By the way Who is spot on with all of the his points in this thread.

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Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #125 on: November 30, 2012, 12:30:48 AM »

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The Spurs are clicking right now because of the continuity they have. 

The Celtics are struggling right now because of all the turnover they had in the offseason.

I think Green, Bass, Lee, and Terry were signed to long-term deals precisely to create that sort of continuity in the declining years of Pierce and Garnett.
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Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #126 on: November 30, 2012, 12:37:38 AM »

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The Spurs are clicking right now because of the continuity they have. 

The Celtics are struggling right now because of all the turnover they had in the offseason.

I think Green, Bass, Lee, and Terry were signed to long-term deals precisely to create that sort of continuity in the declining years of Pierce and Garnett.

While that might have been Ainge's original intention, I'd be very surprised if all four of them were still here at the end of January.

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2012, 01:08:02 AM »

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The Spurs are clicking right now because of the continuity they have. 

The Celtics are struggling right now because of all the turnover they had in the offseason.

I think Green, Bass, Lee, and Terry were signed to long-term deals precisely to create that sort of continuity in the declining years of Pierce and Garnett.

While that might have been Ainge's original intention, I'd be very surprised if all four of them were still here at the end of January.

I'd be surprised if they weren't.
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Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2012, 09:59:22 AM »

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-Better Coaching

-Strong international scouting and investment (compared to none for the C's)

-Better planning/Long term vision (investing in guys like splitter and scola even if they won't come over for 1-2 years)

-Ability to trade vets for draft picks instead of overpaying for soon to be FAs (george hill turned into kawhi leonard).

-Better Drafting (blair, leonard)

-Better scouting/signing of unproven young guys/d leaugers (green, neal)

-Better cap management (i.e. no green type deal and no year to year patching like Wallace/JO. Their FA signings are smarter, more impactful, less "name brand," and have impact over more seasons.)

  With a laundry list of advantages like that the real question should be why they under-perform so badly in the playoffs compared to us.
 

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #129 on: November 30, 2012, 10:04:12 AM »

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-Better Coaching

-Strong international scouting and investment (compared to none for the C's)

-Better planning/Long term vision (investing in guys like splitter and scola even if they won't come over for 1-2 years)

-Ability to trade vets for draft picks instead of overpaying for soon to be FAs (george hill turned into kawhi leonard).

-Better Drafting (blair, leonard)

-Better scouting/signing of unproven young guys/d leaugers (green, neal)

-Better cap management (i.e. no green type deal and no year to year patching like Wallace/JO. Their FA signings are smarter, more impactful, less "name brand," and have impact over more seasons.)

  With a laundry list of advantages like that the real question should be why they under-perform so badly in the playoffs compared to us.

Mostly due to conference. Much harder in west. We were terrible, had a rapid peak and did very little to sustain it intelligently,  and thus are downsliding again in a weak conference. The Spurs have won 4 titles and been contenders for more than a decade and continue to be a true contender despite being in a loaded conference. Look at who they have lost to in the playoffs compared to who we've beaten.

We were very elite at our peak, but don't have the upper management to sustain it, basically. Thus that peak is in the past, and the spurs keep riding it.

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #130 on: November 30, 2012, 10:07:49 AM »

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The four titles came over Duncan's entire prime, we've only had a similar player (KG) for a much shorter period and in his decline. We've done better than the Spurs since we've acquired KG certainly.

As for the "no Green type deals", Richard Jefferson's contract is offended you forgot it. It just happened longer ago so they've had time to flip it (for another bad contract in Stephen Jackson)

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #131 on: November 30, 2012, 10:11:08 AM »

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-Better Coaching

-Strong international scouting and investment (compared to none for the C's)

-Better planning/Long term vision (investing in guys like splitter and scola even if they won't come over for 1-2 years)

-Ability to trade vets for draft picks instead of overpaying for soon to be FAs (george hill turned into kawhi leonard).

-Better Drafting (blair, leonard)

-Better scouting/signing of unproven young guys/d leaugers (green, neal)

-Better cap management (i.e. no green type deal and no year to year patching like Wallace/JO. Their FA signings are smarter, more impactful, less "name brand," and have impact over more seasons.)

  With a laundry list of advantages like that the real question should be why they under-perform so badly in the playoffs compared to us.

Mostly due to conference. Much harder in west. We were terrible, had a rapid peak and did very little to sustain it intelligently,  and thus are downsliding again in a weak conference. The Spurs have won 4 titles and been contenders for more than a decade and continue to be a true contender despite being in a loaded conference. Look at who they have lost to in the playoffs compared to who we've beaten.

  How many of the teams that beat them in the playoffs the last 5 years won the conference? They aren't getting taken out by juggernauts.

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #132 on: November 30, 2012, 10:15:33 AM »

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-Better Coaching

-Strong international scouting and investment (compared to none for the C's)

-Better planning/Long term vision (investing in guys like splitter and scola even if they won't come over for 1-2 years)

-Ability to trade vets for draft picks instead of overpaying for soon to be FAs (george hill turned into kawhi leonard).

-Better Drafting (blair, leonard)

-Better scouting/signing of unproven young guys/d leaugers (green, neal)

-Better cap management (i.e. no green type deal and no year to year patching like Wallace/JO. Their FA signings are smarter, more impactful, less "name brand," and have impact over more seasons.)

  With a laundry list of advantages like that the real question should be why they under-perform so badly in the playoffs compared to us.

Mostly due to conference. Much harder in west. We were terrible, had a rapid peak and did very little to sustain it intelligently,  and thus are downsliding again in a weak conference. The Spurs have won 4 titles and been contenders for more than a decade and continue to be a true contender despite being in a loaded conference. Look at who they have lost to in the playoffs compared to who we've beaten.

  How many of the teams that beat them in the playoffs the last 5 years won the conference? They aren't getting taken out by juggernauts.

There is really no way for us to know whether we'd have been able to beat OKC last year or Memphis in 2011.

Everyone loves to point out how we took the HEAT to 7.  We also were taken to 7 by a horrid 76ers team in the same playoffs.  How we would've matched up to the Thunder and Grizzlies is anyone's guess.

The Grizzlies would've killed us on the boards, we know that for certain.

The Spurs probably would've beaten the Hawks and 76ers last year and beaten the Knicks two years ago.  No way of knowing that with certainty, as matchups change, but our last three playoff series wins are over some pretty bad playoff teams.

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #133 on: November 30, 2012, 10:42:39 AM »

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-Better Coaching

-Strong international scouting and investment (compared to none for the C's)

-Better planning/Long term vision (investing in guys like splitter and scola even if they won't come over for 1-2 years)

-Ability to trade vets for draft picks instead of overpaying for soon to be FAs (george hill turned into kawhi leonard).

-Better Drafting (blair, leonard)

-Better scouting/signing of unproven young guys/d leaugers (green, neal)

-Better cap management (i.e. no green type deal and no year to year patching like Wallace/JO. Their FA signings are smarter, more impactful, less "name brand," and have impact over more seasons.)

  With a laundry list of advantages like that the real question should be why they under-perform so badly in the playoffs compared to us.

Mostly due to conference. Much harder in west. We were terrible, had a rapid peak and did very little to sustain it intelligently,  and thus are downsliding again in a weak conference. The Spurs have won 4 titles and been contenders for more than a decade and continue to be a true contender despite being in a loaded conference. Look at who they have lost to in the playoffs compared to who we've beaten.

  How many of the teams that beat them in the playoffs the last 5 years won the conference? They aren't getting taken out by juggernauts.

There is really no way for us to know whether we'd have been able to beat OKC last year or Memphis in 2011.

Everyone loves to point out how we took the HEAT to 7.  We also were taken to 7 by a horrid 76ers team in the same playoffs.  How we would've matched up to the Thunder and Grizzlies is anyone's guess.

The Grizzlies would've killed us on the boards, we know that for certain.

The Spurs probably would've beaten the Hawks and 76ers last year and beaten the Knicks two years ago.  No way of knowing that with certainty, as matchups change, but our last three playoff series wins are over some pretty bad playoff teams.

  The Grizzlies didn't rebound much better than we did, either during the regular season or the playoffs. Every team that beat the Celts in the last 5 years won their next series (or won the finals). Every team that's eliminated the Spurs over the last 5 years has lost in the next round. You can only put so much lipstick on that pig.

Re: What's the difference between us and the spurs?
« Reply #134 on: November 30, 2012, 10:46:11 AM »

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The four titles came over Duncan's entire prime, we've only had a similar player (KG) for a much shorter period and in his decline. We've done better than the Spurs since we've acquired KG certainly.

As for the "no Green type deals", Richard Jefferson's contract is offended you forgot it. It just happened longer ago so they've had time to flip it (for another bad contract in Stephen Jackson)

Eh...they're in the much much tougher conference and have had the best record in the league 2 years and made the conference finals twice and won the title the year before we got kg....we haven't really been that much better.