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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2012, 07:51:38 PM »

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I'd give up Bradley.

Sully has a much higher basketball IQ and does a lot more of the little things that help a team win games. Bradley is good at one thing and one thing only and that's man defense; Sully will make the extra pass, use his body to box out and rebound, make smart cuts to the basket... He has more range on his jumper than Bradley as well.

Lockdown defenders come and go but finding a basketball player as smart as Sully at such a young age is hard to do. Sully has boundless potential, very likely to be the next Paul Millsap. Bradley at best is Tony Allen with a corner 3. Give me the heady, all-around talent to the defensive specialist all day every day.

Best of luck with your career, AB, hope things work out for the best.

Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.
depends on the type of player Bradley is guarding on just how good his defense is.  He is susceptible to the bigger stronger SG's just backing him down or posting him up.  He does well against the smaller quicker guys (like a Wade), but a guy like Kobe Bryant just brutalizes him because of his size.

I don't recall AB ever getting brutalized. Not saying it didn't happen but i don't recall. Can you point it out?
When we played the Hawks, Bradley had to be taken off Joe Johnson because he was just too big for him.  I agree that Bradley would not do well against certain guys (e.g., kobe, and JJ) but there aren't that many of them.

I'm hoping Joseph can take that job on the taller guards one day. 

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2012, 08:25:38 PM »

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Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.

To say Avery Bradley is one of best perimeter defenders is  understatement of the century. With all due respect to Gary Payton...Avery Bradley will go down as THE greatest perimeter defender ever.

  Did you actually see Payton play?

It's amazing how Bradley's legend grows the more he sits out.

Its also amazing how the longer he sits out the more of a bum he becomes that had little to do with our complete turn around in the second half of last year.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2012, 08:29:53 PM »

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Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.

To say Avery Bradley is one of best perimeter defenders is  understatement of the century. With all due respect to Gary Payton...Avery Bradley will go down as THE greatest perimeter defender ever.

  Did you actually see Payton play?

It's amazing how Bradley's legend grows the more he sits out.

Its also amazing how the longer he sits out the more of a bum he becomes that had little to do with our complete turn around in the second half of last year.

I don't see a single person on here calling him a bum. I think he's a good player. He has limitations however and still has to prove himself in many ways. He is nowhere near being a "franchise savior" or "greatest defender of all-time". That is crazy talk.

As for our turnaround last year, Bradley missed our entire playoff run, where we played excellent team defense and where within 5 minutes in game 7 of the ECF of beating  the eventual champs, all without Bradley.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2012, 08:33:15 PM »

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finally the C's have two good young players with upside who can help us NOW and in the future and all the threads are..'oh lets trade them!"

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2012, 08:35:59 PM »

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I'd give up Bradley.

Sully has a much higher basketball IQ and does a lot more of the little things that help a team win games. Bradley is good at one thing and one thing only and that's man defense; Sully will make the extra pass, use his body to box out and rebound, make smart cuts to the basket... He has more range on his jumper than Bradley as well.

Lockdown defenders come and go but finding a basketball player as smart as Sully at such a young age is hard to do. Sully has boundless potential, very likely to be the next Paul Millsap. Bradley at best is Tony Allen with a corner 3. Give me the heady, all-around talent to the defensive specialist all day every day.

Best of luck with your career, AB, hope things work out for the best.

Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.
depends on the type of player Bradley is guarding on just how good his defense is.  He is susceptible to the bigger stronger SG's just backing him down or posting him up.  He does well against the smaller quicker guys (like a Wade), but a guy like Kobe Bryant just brutalizes him because of his size.

I don't recall AB ever getting brutalized. Not saying it didn't happen but i don't recall. Can you point it out?
When we played the Hawks, Bradley had to be taken off Joe Johnson because he was just too big for him.  I agree that Bradley would not do well against certain guys (e.g., kobe, and JJ) but there aren't that many of them.

I'm hoping Joseph can take that job on the taller guards one day.

There's a man I'd like to introduce you to. His name is Courtney Lee.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2012, 08:37:38 PM »

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Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.

To say Avery Bradley is one of best perimeter defenders is  understatement of the century. With all due respect to Gary Payton...Avery Bradley will go down as THE greatest perimeter defender ever.

  Did you actually see Payton play?

It's amazing how Bradley's legend grows the more he sits out.

Its also amazing how the longer he sits out the more of a bum he becomes that had little to do with our complete turn around in the second half of last year.

I don't see a single person on here calling him a bum. I think he's a good player. He has limitations however and still has to prove himself in many ways. He is nowhere near being a "franchise savior" or "greatest defender of all-time". That is crazy talk.

I'm glad you said that because that's how i feel when i read alot of your comments. If anybody is hyping up bradley its the people that are in favor of trading him lol. Who called him a franchise savior? You're being a hypocrite right now. He is the best defender on this team after KG. He was a huge part in us turning our season around last year. True or false?

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2012, 08:42:23 PM »

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As for our turnaround last year, Bradley missed our entire playoff run, where we played excellent team defense and where within 5 minutes in game 7 of the ECF of beating  the eventual champs, all without Bradley.
He played in the first 10 playoff games. He didn't shoot well but overall we continued to kill the opposition with our starting unit with him in it.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2012, 08:45:20 PM »

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Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.

To say Avery Bradley is one of best perimeter defenders is  understatement of the century. With all due respect to Gary Payton...Avery Bradley will go down as THE greatest perimeter defender ever.

  Did you actually see Payton play?

It's amazing how Bradley's legend grows the more he sits out.

Its also amazing how the longer he sits out the more of a bum he becomes that had little to do with our complete turn around in the second half of last year.

I don't see a single person on here calling him a bum. I think he's a good player. He has limitations however and still has to prove himself in many ways. He is nowhere near being a "franchise savior" or "greatest defender of all-time". That is crazy talk.

I'm glad you said that because that's how i feel when i read alot of your comments. If anybody is hyping up bradley its the people that are in favor of trading him lol. Who called him a franchise savior? You're being a hypocrite right now. He is the best defender on this team after KG. He was a huge part in us turning our season around last year. True or false?

False. Again, we made our playoff run without him. We were within 5 minutes in game 7 of the ECF of beating the eventual champs, without him. Most people who followed this team closely the last 3 years know that these guys, for better or worse, take many games off and play hard only when they need to, mostly only during the playoffs.

I like Bradley, he's a very good player, an excellent defender, and may get better. He has some limitations though. He needs to improve his ball handling, his passing, and his overall understanding of the game. He also needs to prove he can stay healthy for at least a whole season. Hopefully he will do all of those things. I just think it's very premature to say that we can't contend without him and that he will be the greatest defender of all-time, as highlighted in your post above.

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« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2012, 08:48:21 PM »

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I don't see a single person on here calling him a bum. I think he's a good player. He has limitations however and still has to prove himself in many ways.

I just want people to accept that Bradley's height is not a severe limitation that makes it practically impossible for him to ever become an above-average NBA starting shooting guard.
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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2012, 08:56:41 PM »

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Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.

To say Avery Bradley is one of best perimeter defenders is  understatement of the century. With all due respect to Gary Payton...Avery Bradley will go down as THE greatest perimeter defender ever.

  Did you actually see Payton play?

It's amazing how Bradley's legend grows the more he sits out.

Its also amazing how the longer he sits out the more of a bum he becomes that had little to do with our complete turn around in the second half of last year.

I don't see a single person on here calling him a bum. I think he's a good player. He has limitations however and still has to prove himself in many ways. He is nowhere near being a "franchise savior" or "greatest defender of all-time". That is crazy talk.

I'm glad you said that because that's how i feel when i read alot of your comments. If anybody is hyping up bradley its the people that are in favor of trading him lol. Who called him a franchise savior? You're being a hypocrite right now. He is the best defender on this team after KG. He was a huge part in us turning our season around last year. True or false?

False. Again, we made our playoff run without him. We were within 5 minutes in game 7 of the ECF of beating the eventual champs, without him. Most people who followed this team closely the last 3 years know that these guys, for better or worse, take many games off and play hard only when they need to, mostly only during the playoffs.

I like Bradley, he's a very good player, an excellent defender, and may get better. He has some limitations though. He needs to improve his ball handling, his passing, and his overall understanding of the game. He also needs to prove he can stay healthy for at least a whole season. Hopefully he will do all of those things. I just think it's very premature to say that we can't contend without him and that he will be the greatest defender of all-time, as highlighted in your post above.

How are you gonna say false and then say a false claim yourself. I can't take you seriously anymore. We didn't make a playoff run without him. We were under 500 and in danger of missing the playoffs and blowing the whole team up if we didn't turn things around when we did.

AB played in the playoffs he just didn't play in the miami series. Also i wasn't even just talking about the playoffs i was talking about when we were under 500 and looking terrible. But to give bradley no credit for turning our season around last year.......i simply can't take you seriously anymore.


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« Reply #70 on: November 27, 2012, 09:07:17 PM »

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Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.

To say Avery Bradley is one of best perimeter defenders is  understatement of the century. With all due respect to Gary Payton...Avery Bradley will go down as THE greatest perimeter defender ever.

  Did you actually see Payton play?

It's amazing how Bradley's legend grows the more he sits out.

Its also amazing how the longer he sits out the more of a bum he becomes that had little to do with our complete turn around in the second half of last year.

I don't see a single person on here calling him a bum. I think he's a good player. He has limitations however and still has to prove himself in many ways. He is nowhere near being a "franchise savior" or "greatest defender of all-time". That is crazy talk.

I'm glad you said that because that's how i feel when i read alot of your comments. If anybody is hyping up bradley its the people that are in favor of trading him lol. Who called him a franchise savior? You're being a hypocrite right now. He is the best defender on this team after KG. He was a huge part in us turning our season around last year. True or false?

False. Again, we made our playoff run without him. We were within 5 minutes in game 7 of the ECF of beating the eventual champs, without him. Most people who followed this team closely the last 3 years know that these guys, for better or worse, take many games off and play hard only when they need to, mostly only during the playoffs.

I like Bradley, he's a very good player, an excellent defender, and may get better. He has some limitations though. He needs to improve his ball handling, his passing, and his overall understanding of the game. He also needs to prove he can stay healthy for at least a whole season. Hopefully he will do all of those things. I just think it's very premature to say that we can't contend without him and that he will be the greatest defender of all-time, as highlighted in your post above.

How are you gonna say false and then say a false claim yourself. I can't take you seriously anymore. We didn't make a playoff run without him. We were under 500 and in danger of missing the playoffs and blowing the whole team up if we didn't turn things around when we did.

AB played in the playoffs he just didn't play in the miami series. Also i wasn't even just talking about the playoffs i was talking about when we were under 500 and looking terrible. But to give bradley no credit for turning our season around last year.......i simply can't take you seriously anymore.

Yep, you just ignored all the points I made about these celtics teams not giving a full effort for large parts of the regular season the last few years. Bradley helped for sure, but he in no way turned our season around, KG, Paul, Rondo, and Ray finally decided to turn the switch on and play hard, as they did the year before when we went to game 7 of the NBA Finals after everyone wrote us off and booed the celtics off the floor in midseason for sucking badly against poor teams. Bradley had nothing at all to do with our success that year.

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« Reply #71 on: November 27, 2012, 09:10:37 PM »

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it all comes down to ball pressure and dribble penetration...the way bradley took on the opposing team's guard half-court just took them out of their sets, leaving them 10-15seconds to do anything.

also, his ability to stay in front of his man allowed KG/Bass to stay in the paint and not help as much

our starting lineup is 4/5 the same but we are having trouble with the pick & roll, and last year we had one of the scariest defenses after he began to start...the only difference? bradley.

now, whether his offense returns to form remains to be seen, but his defense Clearly made us a better team last year.


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« Reply #72 on: November 27, 2012, 09:12:26 PM »

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I don't see a single person on here calling him a bum. I think he's a good player. He has limitations however and still has to prove himself in many ways.

I just want people to accept that Bradley's height is not a severe limitation that makes it practically impossible for him to ever become an above-average NBA starting shooting guard.

It's not at all a severe limitation. Joe Dumars for example was a great SG at that height. His current limitations are lack of ball handling/passing skills and overall understanding of the game, along with long term durability health wise.

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« Reply #73 on: November 27, 2012, 09:13:22 PM »

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it all comes down to ball pressure and dribble penetration...the way bradley took on the opposing team's guard half-court just took them out of their sets, leaving them 10-15seconds to do anything.

also, his ability to stay in front of his man allowed KG/Bass to stay in the paint and not help as much

our starting lineup is 4/5 the same but we are having trouble with the pick & roll, and last year we had one of the scariest defenses after he began to start...the only difference? bradley. Ray Allen

now, whether his offense returns to form remains to be seen, but his defense Clearly made us a better team last year.

Fixed that for you.

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« Reply #74 on: November 27, 2012, 09:15:51 PM »

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I don't see a single person on here calling him a bum. I think he's a good player. He has limitations however and still has to prove himself in many ways.

I just want people to accept that Bradley's height is not a severe limitation that makes it practically impossible for him to ever become an above-average NBA starting shooting guard.

It's not at all a severe limitation. Joe Dumars for example was a great SG at that height. His current limitations are lack of ball handling/passing skills and overall understanding of the game, along with long term durability health wise.

For a shooting guard his handles seem okay. Although, of course, if they start scouting his offense his handles might come under the spotlight.

As a scoring guard he's been pretty good. He's always been a pretty good scorer.