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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2012, 04:31:51 PM »

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I can't wait until Bradley comes back and all this hyperbole about him can end. 

I don't think anyone really knows how great or mediocre he'll be... but calling him a "Top 5 defender" after what amounts to roughly 13 games is like calling Jeremy Lin a "top 5 point guard" after 11 games of Linsanity.

And you know that they are going to hype him up whatever you may suggest, so, just let it go.
I was thinking the same way about Jeremy Lin and Houston GM fell for it.
At least, here we are fans, not GMs.

If a package containing either Bradley or Sullinger (or both) nets a solid player (preferably bringing in size and rebounding as a starter), I'm doing that trade.
Can't exactly come up with a possible trade scenario at the moment, though.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2012, 04:35:28 PM »

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Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.

To say Avery Bradley is one of best perimeter defenders is  understatement of the century. With all due respect to Gary Payton...Avery Bradley will go down as THE greatest perimeter defender ever.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2012, 04:36:02 PM »

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I'd give up Bradley.

Sully has a much higher basketball IQ and does a lot more of the little things that help a team win games. Bradley is good at one thing and one thing only and that's man defense; Sully will make the extra pass, use his body to box out and rebound, make smart cuts to the basket... He has more range on his jumper than Bradley as well.

Lockdown defenders come and go but finding a basketball player as smart as Sully at such a young age is hard to do. Sully has boundless potential, very likely to be the next Paul Millsap. Bradley at best is Tony Allen with a corner 3. Give me the heady, all-around talent to the defensive specialist all day every day.

Best of luck with your career, AB, hope things work out for the best.

Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.
depends on the type of player Bradley is guarding on just how good his defense is.  He is susceptible to the bigger stronger SG's just backing him down or posting him up.  He does well against the smaller quicker guys (like a Wade), but a guy like Kobe Bryant just brutalizes him because of his size.

I don't recall AB ever getting brutalized. Not saying it didn't happen but i don't recall. Can you point it out?


Gordon Hayward, Gerald Henderson, and joe Johnson were all able to use their height to get anything they wanted over Bradley. John wall was able to use his speed to run by Bradley at will. If Bradley's defense was judged simply against shooting guards (his position), he wouldn't even be average.  Fortunately for him, we've been able to put him against PGs more often than not, and have other players cover for the opposing SG. Plus, even of they don't "come and go", I don't think there's ever Been a player elected to an all star game or even considered a star, who was a liability on offense (which Bradley has been the majority of his career, and IMO would continue to be if he was given any respect by opposing defenders or showcased on a team where he wasn't surrounded by other scorers).

Id easily let Bradley go before sully. You can't teach height. Bradley will always be undersized to play SG (if he learned to dribble or pass like a Point guard I'd take away this entire judgement and let sully go).  Silly has good size, strength, and skills for his position. The league is moving towards shorter more mobile post players, and bigger stronger wings. That trend favors sully, and will increasingly expose Bradley. 


Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2012, 04:44:41 PM »

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Neither. Sully was a steal, and AB will be a key piece for this team in the future, if not this year.

This!!

Without a lot more info on who the C's get back, I'd make neither available.

However, in the totally abstract... I'm still not sold on Sullinger being more than an undersized backup PF. I'm waiting for him to convince me he's more than that. Bradley, otoh, I've thought was good since we drafted him, suffered through the injuries and doubts, felt justified during his streak last year, and still feel confident he is going to be very special when he gets back...fully. Getting Bradley should take a very special deal, one I don't see out there.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2012, 04:48:03 PM »

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I'd give up Bradley.

Sully has a much higher basketball IQ and does a lot more of the little things that help a team win games. Bradley is good at one thing and one thing only and that's man defense; Sully will make the extra pass, use his body to box out and rebound, make smart cuts to the basket... He has more range on his jumper than Bradley as well.

Lockdown defenders come and go but finding a basketball player as smart as Sully at such a young age is hard to do. Sully has boundless potential, very likely to be the next Paul Millsap. Bradley at best is Tony Allen with a corner 3. Give me the heady, all-around talent to the defensive specialist all day every day.

Best of luck with your career, AB, hope things work out for the best.

Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.
depends on the type of player Bradley is guarding on just how good his defense is.  He is susceptible to the bigger stronger SG's just backing him down or posting him up.  He does well against the smaller quicker guys (like a Wade), but a guy like Kobe Bryant just brutalizes him because of his size.

I don't recall AB ever getting brutalized. Not saying it didn't happen but i don't recall. Can you point it out?


Gordon Hayward, Gerald Henderson, and joe Johnson were all able to use their height to get anything they wanted over Bradley. John wall was able to use his speed to run by Bradley at will. If Bradley's defense was judged simply against shooting guards (his position), he wouldn't even be average.  Fortunately for him, we've been able to put him against PGs more often than not, and have other players cover for the opposing SG. Plus, even of they don't "come and go", I don't think there's ever Been a player elected to an all star game or even considered a star, who was a liability on offense (which Bradley has been the majority of his career, and IMO would continue to be if he was given any respect by opposing defenders or showcased on a team where he wasn't surrounded by other scorers).

Id easily let Bradley go before sully. You can't teach height. Bradley will always be undersized to play SG (if he learned to dribble or pass like a Point guard I'd take away this entire judgement and let sully go).  Silly has good size, strength, and skills for his position. The league is moving towards shorter more mobile post players, and bigger stronger wings. That trend favors sully, and will increasingly expose Bradley.

I don't recall any of those moments so i can't comment. All i can tell you is our defense was the best in the league once AB was inserted into the starting lineup. To say that is a coincidence is nothing short of ignorance. Also once KG moved to center.

Also i like sully don't get me wrong but bradleys defense is harder to replace than sullys........what? Rebounding. Gortat replaces sullys rebounding easily. Sully doesn't shoot the ball any better than ab. Are you forgetting sully is also undersized at his position? He gets blocked dang near every time he goes up for a shot. What does sully do that can't be replaced by gortat? Nothing. Ab on the other hand, hes a special kind of breed.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2012, 04:48:49 PM »

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I don't think anyone really knows how great or mediocre he'll be... but calling him a "Top 5 defender" after what amounts to roughly 13 games is like calling Jeremy Lin a "top 5 point guard" after 11 games of Linsanity.

Bradley's defensive ability was obvious even during his rookie season.
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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2012, 04:52:09 PM »

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I don't think anyone really knows how great or mediocre he'll be... but calling him a "Top 5 defender" after what amounts to roughly 13 games is like calling Jeremy Lin a "top 5 point guard" after 11 games of Linsanity.

Bradley's defensive ability was obvious even during his rookie season.
As was the annual rookie hazing of calling him for a foul whenever possible.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2012, 05:02:39 PM »

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I'd give up Bradley.

Sully has a much higher basketball IQ and does a lot more of the little things that help a team win games. Bradley is good at one thing and one thing only and that's man defense; Sully will make the extra pass, use his body to box out and rebound, make smart cuts to the basket... He has more range on his jumper than Bradley as well.


  Bradley's offense really improved as the season went on. I don't think it's true that he's only good at one thing and I don't think we've really seen any evidence that Sully has more range on his jumper than Bradley.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2012, 05:15:31 PM »

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If we're trading for a stud off guard, I'd trade Bradley maybe

If we're trading for a stud PF / big man, I'd probably trade Sully.

I'd be hesitant to trade Avery at this point if it meant we'd be depending on Courtney Lee as our starting off guard. I'd be much more comfortable trading Sully, Lee and picks, for example, if it meant we got Gortat in return.

On pure talent - at this point I'd trade Sully before Bradley. Bradley has "game changer" written all over him. His ball pressure changes games and perhaps more importantly his intensity ignites raises the emotional quotient of the team as a whole. He inspires his teammates, that is an intangible quality that is very valuable and very hard to come by.

Ideally, like someone else said, I'd really rather just keep everyone, let Bradley come back in, see how we play and then just add one more Vet big man either via free agency or through a small trade.

Come back next year with Rondo, Bradley, Joseph, Green, Sully and Melo all a year older and a year better.   

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2012, 05:16:48 PM »

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I don't believe any player is "untradeable" but unless we are getting a transcendent player, I mean of the Kobe, James, Howard, Dirk, Duncan, KG variety I would be very hesitant to trade away either Bradley or Sullinger.  These two kids have a good chance of being special players and they are 22 and 20 years old. 
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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2012, 05:27:57 PM »

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Well, somebody is gonna look like a complete moron once ab returns. I know that much lol. I have enough confidence in the kid to say that moron won't be me. If it is tho, ill own up to it like im hoping all you non AB believers will too. My prediction is, AB returns and we take off defensively and as a team similar to last year.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2012, 05:35:51 PM »

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neither because both have a fairly high ceiling that they havent gotten close to

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2012, 05:36:49 PM »

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I can't wait until Bradley comes back and all this hyperbole about him can end. 

I don't think anyone really knows how great or mediocre he'll be... but calling him a "Top 5 defender" after what amounts to roughly 13 games is like calling Jeremy Lin a "top 5 point guard" after 11 games of Linsanity.
38 games, roughly 38 games as a starter playing heavy minutes.

It's misleading.  A lot of those starts you are referring to came in January when he was pretty dreadful.  He was getting heavy minutes and finished the month averaging 4.8 points, 1.3 turnovers and .7 steals... 40% shooting...10% from three... 64% from the line.  Yeck.

Or the 10 games he started in the playoffs where he averaged 6.7 points, 1 turnover, .8 steals 37% shooting, 27% from three and 66% from the line.

What everyone is salivating over is about 17 games towards the end of March and April (the tail end of a lockout shortened season) where he shot out of his freakin mind and played exceptionally aggressive defense.   It inflated his averages considerably.  I was impressed by it as well.  Made him look like he was a 50%/40%/80% kinda guy.  We beat Miami three times that month and everyone assumed we had their number. 

In game 1 on April 1st, Wade was "held" to a mere 15 points.  Of course, that was partially because Wade was dealing with a knee injury that caused him to miss the very  next game.

We met them again on April 10th ... Wade his missed the game prior with an ankle injury.  Once again, Bradley (who played 25 minutes) "shut down" an injured Wade by holding him to 20 points.  Celtics took game #2.

In Game 3 on April 24th... NONE of Miami's big 3 played.  Boston won. 

Those high profile games at the end of the season in the midst of KG's resurgence and Bradley's ridiculous shooting have inflated Bradley's stock around these parts to Linsanity proportions.    Maybe he's legit... maybe I'm just a worry-wart.  But there hasn't been enough evidence to suggest this guy is a "can't miss" prospect.  There's more evidence suggesting he's going to be a solid miniature Bruce Bowen/Tony Allen off the bench.  A rich man's Marcus Banks.


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As for Sully.  I like what I see out of him.  Looks like a less emotional Glen Davis.  I'd peg his value about the same as Brandon Bass. 

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2012, 05:37:14 PM »

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Why are you talking trade....? You won't get anyone for sully......except..another sully...! AB..not a good idea either.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2012, 05:39:21 PM »

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