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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2012, 03:13:39 PM »

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I'd give up Bradley.

Lockdown defenders come and go


Wait, what? How many lockdown defenders at the 2 position can you name? Tony Allen and Bradley are the only two that I can think of. Kobe and Wade are very good, when they decide to be, but they aren't for entire games.

Bradley is a special, special defender.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2012, 03:13:50 PM »

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Yeah I'd wait and see how we play when AB comes back. He may be the solution. If we don't get significantly better, only then DA should explore all options. I don't think he should explore a major move until February, give AB time to get back into his groove and Lee time to get his act together.
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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2012, 03:15:26 PM »

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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 03:18:59 PM »

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Yeah I'd wait and see how we play when AB comes back. He may be the solution. If we don't get significantly better, only then DA should explore all options. I don't think he should explore a major move until February, give AB time to get back into his groove and Lee time to get his act together.

No dude, you're thinking far too logically and being way too patient. A trade needs to happen and it needs to happen now! Idc if its gortat smith or gasol give meeeeee something!!  >:(

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 03:21:01 PM »

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I am not sure how you can rate either player clearly higher then the other yet.


AB had one really good but really short run, but has been injured since.


Sully is a rookie who slide in the draft because of health concerns and has not received the same opportunity that AB got to start for a longer stretch. 


Not to mention AB had a whole season and then some before he showed anything. 



Now both could reach the potential some have mentioned.  Or both could be role players. 


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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2012, 03:40:03 PM »

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I am not sure how you can rate either player clearly higher then the other yet.


AB had one really good but really short run, but has been injured since.


Sully is a rookie who slide in the draft because of health concerns and has not received the same opportunity that AB got to start for a longer stretch. 


Not to mention AB had a whole season and then some before he showed anything. 



Now both could reach the potential some have mentioned.  Or both could be role players.

The only thing questionable about AB as far as his game goes is his offense. His defense alone *Which we know he will bring night in and night out* is enough for me to pick him over sully.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2012, 03:47:19 PM »

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I am not sure how you can rate either player clearly higher then the other yet.


AB had one really good but really short run, but has been injured since.


Sully is a rookie who slide in the draft because of health concerns and has not received the same opportunity that AB got to start for a longer stretch. 


Not to mention AB had a whole season and then some before he showed anything. 



Now both could reach the potential some have mentioned.  Or both could be role players.

The only thing questionable about AB as far as his game goes is his offense. His defense alone *Which we know he will bring night in and night out* is enough for me to pick him over sully.

While I agree, his position is also an issue.  I question whether he can cover SGs full time going forward.  He is at his best covering PGs, but can't really play the point on offense.  I personally think covering guys so much bigger than him, played a role in his shoulder injuries last year.  He can do it, but it is a lot of wear and tear on a guy who plays so aggressively against guys bigger and stronger.

Ideally, you would pair him up with a big PG who can defend SGs, but that is not always easy.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2012, 03:52:06 PM »

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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2012, 03:57:29 PM »

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Not for nothing but...it seems a little premature to judge Sullinger's potential value 14 games into his career.  I would certainly say that his level of contribution at this point far exceeds Bradley's at the same point in his career.  If this is his starting point, there is an argument to be made that by the time he reaches year three (where Bradley is now) he will be a much more valuable player than Bradley is currently.  I don't know if I want to make that argument.  I'm just saying it's a little early to be talking about moving him.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't move either of them until you tell me what we're getting back. 
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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2012, 04:00:47 PM »

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I'd give up Bradley.

Sully has a much higher basketball IQ and does a lot more of the little things that help a team win games. Bradley is good at one thing and one thing only and that's man defense; Sully will make the extra pass, use his body to box out and rebound, make smart cuts to the basket... He has more range on his jumper than Bradley as well.

Lockdown defenders come and go but finding a basketball player as smart as Sully at such a young age is hard to do. Sully has boundless potential, very likely to be the next Paul Millsap. Bradley at best is Tony Allen with a corner 3. Give me the heady, all-around talent to the defensive specialist all day every day.

Best of luck with your career, AB, hope things work out for the best.

Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.
depends on the type of player Bradley is guarding on just how good his defense is.  He is susceptible to the bigger stronger SG's just backing him down or posting him up.  He does well against the smaller quicker guys (like a Wade), but a guy like Kobe Bryant just brutalizes him because of his size. 
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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2012, 04:12:48 PM »

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I'd give up Bradley.

Sully has a much higher basketball IQ and does a lot more of the little things that help a team win games. Bradley is good at one thing and one thing only and that's man defense; Sully will make the extra pass, use his body to box out and rebound, make smart cuts to the basket... He has more range on his jumper than Bradley as well.

Lockdown defenders come and go but finding a basketball player as smart as Sully at such a young age is hard to do. Sully has boundless potential, very likely to be the next Paul Millsap. Bradley at best is Tony Allen with a corner 3. Give me the heady, all-around talent to the defensive specialist all day every day.

Best of luck with your career, AB, hope things work out for the best.

Well, bradley isn't just GOOD at defense, hes excellent, elite, superb, one of the best in the game. Sully is good at some things but he isnt great at anything or elite. He can be replaced alot easier than bradley can. Also, defensive players like AB do not just come and go i assure you lol.
depends on the type of player Bradley is guarding on just how good his defense is.  He is susceptible to the bigger stronger SG's just backing him down or posting him up.  He does well against the smaller quicker guys (like a Wade), but a guy like Kobe Bryant just brutalizes him because of his size.

I don't recall AB ever getting brutalized. Not saying it didn't happen but i don't recall. Can you point it out?

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2012, 04:14:58 PM »

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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2012, 04:18:03 PM »

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use that last spot (darkos) to sign a vet buyout, whatever position we need help at with injuries
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Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2012, 04:23:51 PM »

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I can't wait until Bradley comes back and all this hyperbole about him can end. 

I don't think anyone really knows how great or mediocre he'll be... but calling him a "Top 5 defender" after what amounts to roughly 13 games is like calling Jeremy Lin a "top 5 point guard" after 11 games of Linsanity.

Re: Bradley or Sully: Who do you trade?
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2012, 04:27:51 PM »

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I can't wait until Bradley comes back and all this hyperbole about him can end. 

I don't think anyone really knows how great or mediocre he'll be... but calling him a "Top 5 defender" after what amounts to roughly 13 games is like calling Jeremy Lin a "top 5 point guard" after 11 games of Linsanity.
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