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Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2012, 12:21:10 AM »

Offline Mattybriand

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Im not gonna lie I love watching rondo rack up the assists and get some MVP consideration it's been a while since a celtic has been in consideration.. But it's getting frustrating watching RR get a fast break and stop to hand it off to someone else, or forcing an assist instead of taking an open shot or open layup.

Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2012, 12:41:40 AM »

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I'm confused...

Is Rondo doing this only because he has 3 hall of famers to pass to?

Should we give all the credit to the said hall of famers, Garnett, Pierce and Brandon Bass, instead?

Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2012, 12:52:21 AM »

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I don't think anyone can deny that there are times in games where Rondo makes a bone-headed move, passing when he should go for the lay-up or forcing a pass and getting a turnover.

It happens.

But guess what? Those stupid mistakes happen to EVERY player. What about Russell Westbrook, who some people on this blog would prefer to Rondo? He is terrible at learning when to shoot and when to pass. Hell, even Lebron James makes mistakes.

Focusing on these mistakes at the expense of the rest of the game is an incredibly foolish way to evaluate player performance.

Unless somebody cares to provide some PROOF that Rondo has cost us games by passing up shots, or that he makes more of such mistakes than any other high usage player, then I don't think this is even worth arguing about. As has already been posted, our record is significantly better in games where Rondo gets 10+ assists.

I do expect Rondo, as he enters his prime in the next couple of years, will get smarter with how he plays, and we will see a spike in assists and a decrease in turnovers, and probably a scoring spike as well. But callously dismissing the player's performance because you can't seem to get over a tiny handful of bad plays says more about you than it does about Rondo.

(I mean, come on, I am as willing to criticize Rondo as anyone, but I can't think of more than a half dozen plays this entire season where Rondo has made a terrible pass-out-of-shot decision)

Pretty much sums it up. TP

Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2012, 01:17:30 AM »

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It'd be very rare to see Rondo pass out of an open layup to try to get more assists.

It'd be very rare to see Rondo's teammate miss the shot created by Rondo's pass out of an open layup.
I like Marcus Smart

Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2012, 01:53:20 AM »

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Outside of that one handoff on the fast break, I don't see Rondo purposely passing up his own shot to "stat pad".

So far this season, he's average 11.2 FGA per game. Last year he was at 10.8. I don't think he's stat padding. Rather, he's a pass first point guard who is a floor general type, looking to set up his teammates.
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Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2012, 01:58:49 AM »

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I'm more concerned with his laziness at times on defense, there were a few possessions against Orlando where everyone is hustling around just so Rondo can hang out and allow WIDE open shots on the perimeter at the shot clock expires.


Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2012, 02:13:11 AM »

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I feel as though Rondo definetly trys to get that extra rebound when he is 1 away from a triple double. Who wouldnt?

I also feel like he would make a point to get an extra point or assist here or there in order to break a record. He cares about personal achievements. Hes not a robot. He is a human with an ego just like every other nba player out there. Its not perfect that he cares about personal achhievements but if the achievement hurt the team, he would stop. The stat his record is all about happens to be very beneficial to the team.
He cares more about winning, however, and thats why its ok.
So he will "stat pad" if a record or something is on the table, but I know that he would never jeopardize a game in order to get an extra stat. He cares too much about winning to do that.

Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2012, 02:55:30 AM »

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I've seen Rondo miss enough layups to think it's not a completely crazy idea that he may sometimes just be more comfortable giving up the ball to a teammate and isn't necessarily trying to pad his assist numbers.

Iv seen westbrook brick  70% of his shots.... he keeps taking them... Give me Rondo any day of the week. Best PG in the league

Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2012, 02:55:36 AM »

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To be totally honest (and slightly ashamed of myself) I find Rondo's record chasing the lone bright spot in what otherwise is a boring regular season where we see a team half-coast to the playoffs.

Really, with the past few seasons and the way we've made it into the playoffs, and then switched it ON (Rondo in particular) I must say I prefer to have something to cheer for during the regular season.

Keep doing what you're doing Rondo. We know that in the playoffs you'll do what we NEED you to do.

Until then, the keys to this car are yours!

Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2012, 08:59:37 AM »

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To be totally honest (and slightly ashamed of myself) I find Rondo's record chasing the lone bright spot in what otherwise is a boring regular season where we see a team half-coast to the playoffs.

Really, with the past few seasons and the way we've made it into the playoffs, and then switched it ON (Rondo in particular) I must say I prefer to have something to cheer for during the regular season.

Keep doing what you're doing Rondo. We know that in the playoffs you'll do what we NEED you to do.

Until then, the keys to this car are yours!

TP.  The regular season is a slog.  Rondo's streak and assists average have added some excitement to the early part of the season.  I am shamelessly rooting for him to set records.  Of course, I'm rooting for wins above all, but I don't mind something that adds a little spice to the 82 game pre-season. 
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Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2012, 09:16:57 AM »

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To be totally honest (and slightly ashamed of myself) I find Rondo's record chasing the lone bright spot in what otherwise is a boring regular season where we see a team half-coast to the playoffs.

Really, with the past few seasons and the way we've made it into the playoffs, and then switched it ON (Rondo in particular) I must say I prefer to have something to cheer for during the regular season.

Keep doing what you're doing Rondo. We know that in the playoffs you'll do what we NEED you to do.

Until then, the keys to this car are yours!

TP.  The regular season is a slog.  Rondo's streak and assists average have added some excitement to the early part of the season.  I am shamelessly rooting for him to set records.  Of course, I'm rooting for wins above all, but I don't mind something that adds a little spice to the 82 game pre-season.

Love this.


As for the 14.5 a game. Rondo is going to have to start a streak of 20 assist games because he will need a lot more throughout the rest of the season.
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Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2012, 09:28:28 AM »

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I don't think anyone can deny that there are times in games where Rondo makes a bone-headed move, passing when he should go for the lay-up or forcing a pass and getting a turnover.

It happens.

But guess what? Those stupid mistakes happen to EVERY player. What about Russell Westbrook, who some people on this blog would prefer to Rondo? He is terrible at learning when to shoot and when to pass. Hell, even Lebron James makes mistakes.

Focusing on these mistakes at the expense of the rest of the game is an incredibly foolish way to evaluate player performance.

Unless somebody cares to provide some PROOF that Rondo has cost us games by passing up shots, or that he makes more of such mistakes than any other high usage player, then I don't think this is even worth arguing about. As has already been posted, our record is significantly better in games where Rondo gets 10+ assists.

I do expect Rondo, as he enters his prime in the next couple of years, will get smarter with how he plays, and we will see a spike in assists and a decrease in turnovers, and probably a scoring spike as well. But callously dismissing the player's performance because you can't seem to get over a tiny handful of bad plays says more about you than it does about Rondo.

(I mean, come on, I am as willing to criticize Rondo as anyone, but I can't think of more than a half dozen plays this entire season where Rondo has made a terrible pass-out-of-shot decision)

Pretty much sums it up. TP

Yeah this is great. Another TP. People are so quick to criticize Rondo on the little mistakes he makes, people forget to acknowledge the incredible things he brings to the game.

Like Tommy said the other night, people are always going to pick out one small detail of whatever happened in a game and pick on him for it. Perfect example, passing the ball to Bass on a fastbreak. Ok, so he gave up his lay up to give his teammate the opportunity for a wide open athletic momentum changing dunk. Seriously? This is what people are going to complain about? Did they forget about the 16 other assists that he had during the game to breakdown his opponents? Its really unbelievable how our so called "fans" can't give Rondo the credit of being at least one of the top two PG's in the league. (Number one in my eyes.)
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Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2012, 12:30:49 PM »

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I don't think anyone can deny that there are times in games where Rondo makes a bone-headed move, passing when he should go for the lay-up or forcing a pass and getting a turnover.

It happens.

But guess what? Those stupid mistakes happen to EVERY player. What about Russell Westbrook, who some people on this blog would prefer to Rondo? He is terrible at learning when to shoot and when to pass. Hell, even Lebron James makes mistakes.

Focusing on these mistakes at the expense of the rest of the game is an incredibly foolish way to evaluate player performance.

Unless somebody cares to provide some PROOF that Rondo has cost us games by passing up shots, or that he makes more of such mistakes than any other high usage player, then I don't think this is even worth arguing about. As has already been posted, our record is significantly better in games where Rondo gets 10+ assists.

I do expect Rondo, as he enters his prime in the next couple of years, will get smarter with how he plays, and we will see a spike in assists and a decrease in turnovers, and probably a scoring spike as well. But callously dismissing the player's performance because you can't seem to get over a tiny handful of bad plays says more about you than it does about Rondo.

(I mean, come on, I am as willing to criticize Rondo as anyone, but I can't think of more than a half dozen plays this entire season where Rondo has made a terrible pass-out-of-shot decision)

Pretty much sums it up. TP

Yeah this is great. Another TP. People are so quick to criticize Rondo on the little mistakes he makes, people forget to acknowledge the incredible things he brings to the game.

Like Tommy said the other night, people are always going to pick out one small detail of whatever happened in a game and pick on him for it. Perfect example, passing the ball to Bass on a fastbreak. Ok, so he gave up his lay up to give his teammate the opportunity for a wide open athletic momentum changing dunk. Seriously? This is what people are going to complain about? Did they forget about the 16 other assists that he had during the game to breakdown his opponents? Its really unbelievable how our so called "fans" can't give Rondo the credit of being at least one of the top two PG's in the league. (Number one in my eyes.)

Chris Paul got off to a fantastic start to the season, and a week or two ago I had him clinging to the top point guard spot with Rondo a close second.  Right now, I'm leaning towards saying that Rondo is the best point guard in the game with Paul right behind him. 

A Celtics win tonight and a great game from Rondo against Deron Williams' Nets would be a nice way to start to cement that position.
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Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2012, 01:53:34 PM »

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I don't think anyone can deny that there are times in games where Rondo makes a bone-headed move, passing when he should go for the lay-up or forcing a pass and getting a turnover.

It happens.

But guess what? Those stupid mistakes happen to EVERY player. What about Russell Westbrook, who some people on this blog would prefer to Rondo? He is terrible at learning when to shoot and when to pass. Hell, even Lebron James makes mistakes.

Focusing on these mistakes at the expense of the rest of the game is an incredibly foolish way to evaluate player performance.

Unless somebody cares to provide some PROOF that Rondo has cost us games by passing up shots, or that he makes more of such mistakes than any other high usage player, then I don't think this is even worth arguing about. As has already been posted, our record is significantly better in games where Rondo gets 10+ assists.

I do expect Rondo, as he enters his prime in the next couple of years, will get smarter with how he plays, and we will see a spike in assists and a decrease in turnovers, and probably a scoring spike as well. But callously dismissing the player's performance because you can't seem to get over a tiny handful of bad plays says more about you than it does about Rondo.

(I mean, come on, I am as willing to criticize Rondo as anyone, but I can't think of more than a half dozen plays this entire season where Rondo has made a terrible pass-out-of-shot decision)

Pretty much sums it up. TP

Yeah this is great. Another TP. People are so quick to criticize Rondo on the little mistakes he makes, people forget to acknowledge the incredible things he brings to the game.

Like Tommy said the other night, people are always going to pick out one small detail of whatever happened in a game and pick on him for it. Perfect example, passing the ball to Bass on a fastbreak. Ok, so he gave up his lay up to give his teammate the opportunity for a wide open athletic momentum changing dunk. Seriously? This is what people are going to complain about? Did they forget about the 16 other assists that he had during the game to breakdown his opponents? Its really unbelievable how our so called "fans" can't give Rondo the credit of being at least one of the top two PG's in the league. (Number one in my eyes.)

Chris Paul got off to a fantastic start to the season, and a week or two ago I had him clinging to the top point guard spot with Rondo a close second.  Right now, I'm leaning towards saying that Rondo is the best point guard in the game with Paul right behind him. 

A Celtics win tonight and a great game from Rondo against Deron Williams' Nets would be a nice way to start to cement that position.

So I can assume that nothing that Chris Paul does tonight will have any impact on that comparison?  I'd say comparisons like this should be less at the whim of a week or two stretch of the season (or one game against a top opponent).  Coaching, situations, matchups, teammates, etc... are all fluid in nature but skill level doesn't really change from week to week. 

I'd find it hard to believe that CP3 was a better "player" at the start of the season and Rondo is the best "player" now.  We're only 14 games into the season.  Don't let 14 games color your judgment that much.  Some think CP3 is the better player.  Some think Rondo is the better player.  Thinking that changes on a weekly basis is kind of folly, IMO. 

Re: Rondo chasing Stockton's 14.5 APG record
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2012, 02:31:56 PM »

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I don't think anyone can deny that there are times in games where Rondo makes a bone-headed move, passing when he should go for the lay-up or forcing a pass and getting a turnover.

It happens.

But guess what? Those stupid mistakes happen to EVERY player. What about Russell Westbrook, who some people on this blog would prefer to Rondo? He is terrible at learning when to shoot and when to pass. Hell, even Lebron James makes mistakes.

Focusing on these mistakes at the expense of the rest of the game is an incredibly foolish way to evaluate player performance.

Unless somebody cares to provide some PROOF that Rondo has cost us games by passing up shots, or that he makes more of such mistakes than any other high usage player, then I don't think this is even worth arguing about. As has already been posted, our record is significantly better in games where Rondo gets 10+ assists.

I do expect Rondo, as he enters his prime in the next couple of years, will get smarter with how he plays, and we will see a spike in assists and a decrease in turnovers, and probably a scoring spike as well. But callously dismissing the player's performance because you can't seem to get over a tiny handful of bad plays says more about you than it does about Rondo.

(I mean, come on, I am as willing to criticize Rondo as anyone, but I can't think of more than a half dozen plays this entire season where Rondo has made a terrible pass-out-of-shot decision)

Pretty much sums it up. TP

Yeah this is great. Another TP. People are so quick to criticize Rondo on the little mistakes he makes, people forget to acknowledge the incredible things he brings to the game.

Like Tommy said the other night, people are always going to pick out one small detail of whatever happened in a game and pick on him for it. Perfect example, passing the ball to Bass on a fastbreak. Ok, so he gave up his lay up to give his teammate the opportunity for a wide open athletic momentum changing dunk. Seriously? This is what people are going to complain about? Did they forget about the 16 other assists that he had during the game to breakdown his opponents? Its really unbelievable how our so called "fans" can't give Rondo the credit of being at least one of the top two PG's in the league. (Number one in my eyes.)

Chris Paul got off to a fantastic start to the season, and a week or two ago I had him clinging to the top point guard spot with Rondo a close second.  Right now, I'm leaning towards saying that Rondo is the best point guard in the game with Paul right behind him. 

A Celtics win tonight and a great game from Rondo against Deron Williams' Nets would be a nice way to start to cement that position.

So I can assume that nothing that Chris Paul does tonight will have any impact on that comparison?  I'd say comparisons like this should be less at the whim of a week or two stretch of the season (or one game against a top opponent).  Coaching, situations, matchups, teammates, etc... are all fluid in nature but skill level doesn't really change from week to week. 

I'd find it hard to believe that CP3 was a better "player" at the start of the season and Rondo is the best "player" now.  We're only 14 games into the season.  Don't let 14 games color your judgment that much.  Some think CP3 is the better player.  Some think Rondo is the better player.  Thinking that changes on a weekly basis is kind of folly, IMO.

I'm just trying to be fair.  At the end of last season, I thought that Rondo had surpassed Chris Paul as the best point guard in the league.  Once this season started and Paul got off to a blistering start, I thought, well, maybe Chris Paul is going to have something to say about that.

Now Rondo is back in the lead.  I guess instead of changing my mind from week to week or from game to game, I should just say that Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo are the two best point guards in the league and release myself from this folly. 
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