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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2012, 04:34:30 PM »

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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2012, 04:49:54 PM »

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We gotta get him minutes. We he plays 25 plus, he is effective and we end up playing well.
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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2012, 05:05:40 PM »

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I think the thread title should be "when Jeff Green actually gets to play, he has a chance to play well." The guy plays 22 minutes a game and takes 7 shots a game and people expect him to be a factor? Plus, when he's on the floor with Paul, he'e the invisible man. He gets burned on defense, but our starting front line has been getting torched this season (especially Bass). Jeff's problem is Paul is going to get the minutes at SF, and there isn't a legit backup Center to play with when he's at PF to protect the rim. The way people talk about him on this board is funny. I don't think he gets enough playing time to impact the game positively or negatively, unless it's a game like yesterday where he actually *gasp* got some run. :D

Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2012, 05:38:14 PM »

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We have two SFs, and both are talented enough to play 30 mpg.  We ought to seriously consider novel ways to utilize the talent we have at this position.

Paul Pierce is a bad ass mf who can take over a game in flash when he wants to- he is one of the best scorers in the league when he is getting after it.  He has a tendency to coast at times but easily switches into assassin-mode whenever it is necessary.  He's a 35 year old who's played over 1000 games and has become increasingly injury-prone as he's aged.

Jeff Green is not the (future HOF) player Paul is, but certainly has starter-level talent.  He has elite athleticism and a very solid all-around game.  If we are to make a run at Banner 18, we need him to fully utilize his talent.  The main issue so far is his inability to make his presence felt in short stints off the bench.  Jeff plays best when he lets the game come to him (Doc said that Jeff failed to convert on the 2 occasions we ran a play for him in his breakout performance), so we need to find a way to give him more opportunities within the natural flow of the game.

To me, all of this points to one solution- Jeff Green starts and Pierce becomes the best 6th man in the league.  Paul's cold-blooded-killer attitude is perfect for that role, and Jeff's nice-guy demeanor is more fitting for life in the starting lineup.  Additionally, Pierce absolutely needs to be 100% for us to have a shot in the playoffs- last night was a good reminder of that- and bringing him off the bench significantly reduces the likelihood of injury.

I dunno how the Truth would feel about this, but I think it warrants some experimentation.
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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2012, 06:38:18 PM »

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We have two SFs, and both are talented enough to play 30 mpg.  We ought to seriously consider novel ways to utilize the talent we have at this position.

Paul Pierce is a bad ass mf who can take over a game in flash when he wants to- he is one of the best scorers in the league when he is getting after it.  He has a tendency to coast at times but easily switches into assassin-mode whenever it is necessary.  He's a 35 year old who's played over 1000 games and has become increasingly injury-prone as he's aged.

Well, I don't know if we should really say he's injury prone. Aside from 2006-2007 season, in which he missed 35 games, he missed 40 games in 13 other seasons and in recent years, he sat out a couple before the play-offs to get rest.
It sounds pretty durable to me.

Jeff Green is not the (future HOF) player Paul is, but certainly has starter-level talent.  He has elite athleticism and a very solid all-around game.  If we are to make a run at Banner 18, we need him to fully utilize his talent.  The main issue so far is his inability to make his presence felt in short stints off the bench.  Jeff plays best when he lets the game come to him (Doc said that Jeff failed to convert on the 2 occasions we ran a play for him in his breakout performance), so we need to find a way to give him more opportunities within the natural flow of the game.

Green has the physical tools to be a starter in NBA, but he hasn't shown the mental dedication and attachment needed in his entire career, be it in Oklahoma or Boston.
The real point of the natural flow thing is when you're getting your points off those plays, that means you're in that game mentally, not just physically.
When it's just a couple of isolations run for you, you play them through and in the next possession, just stand aside, knowing that it's not going to be your turn.
Now, I know isolations for Paul Pierce are frequently played, but there is a difference. Firstly, he's the go-to player of this team. And secondly, you have got to limit the number of players going off for isolations. You can only afford one or two players to play them, and for this team, they're Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett.
 
To me, all of this points to one solution- Jeff Green starts and Pierce becomes the best 6th man in the league.  Paul's cold-blooded-killer attitude is perfect for that role, and Jeff's nice-guy demeanor is more fitting for life in the starting lineup.  Additionally, Pierce absolutely needs to be 100% for us to have a shot in the playoffs- last night was a good reminder of that- and bringing him off the bench significantly reduces the likelihood of injury.

Interesting idea.
If Paul comes off the bench, that means a lessened job for the likes of James or Durant on the defensive end, because Green isn't going to force it as much as Paul does.
On the other hand, there aren't going to be many bench players existing who can deal with Paul's offensive tricks.
Manu Ginobili is arguably the most creative and versatile player in the Spurs roster and plays off the bench.
So, I wouldn't think the captain would feel ashamed to come off the bench, but for that to happen, Jeff Green needs to provide more good games to make Doc believe that he could handle the starting spot.



Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2012, 07:09:32 PM »

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such an awesome picture!  to be honest, im pretty disappointed in his play, but i see potential and am rooting for the guy.  he scares me tho.....he strikes me as a guy, even if he plays well for the season, would turtle in the postseason.  he doesn't have that killer instinct imo

Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2012, 07:37:26 PM »

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JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2012, 07:58:33 PM »

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JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4


I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.
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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2012, 08:12:51 PM »

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JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4


I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.


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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2012, 08:22:55 PM »

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JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4


I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.
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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2012, 11:08:38 PM »

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JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4


I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.

How is Jeff green my guy? All I said was Landry definitely isn't.

I guarantee you if Carl Landry took a contract from Boston or Oklahoma city he would not be a 15/5 guy off the bench, because he wouldn't be getting clearouts 5 times a game.

And by the way if you're talking about playing with good point guards. Landry played with Chris Paul in new orleans, the ultimate drive and dish player.

Landry is a pretty crafty guy under the basket and can use his body, but he's not a sixth man for a contending team and his D is average at best.


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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2012, 11:59:42 PM »

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JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4


I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.

How is Jeff green my guy? All I said was Landry definitely isn't.

I guarantee you if Carl Landry took a contract from Boston or Oklahoma city he would not be a 15/5 guy off the bench, because he wouldn't be getting clearouts 5 times a game.

And by the way if you're talking about playing with good point guards. Landry played with Chris Paul in new orleans, the ultimate drive and dish player.

Landry is a pretty crafty guy under the basket and can use his body, but he's not a sixth man for a contending team and his D is average at best.

The argument was comparing Landry and Green, not how well Landry would do in a contending team. 

If you put Landry in the role that Jeff Green is currently in, he would be somewhere near the 10-15 ppg range, which is very good and better than Green right now.

And the fact that Landry thrived playing with Chris Paul means that he will thrive playing with Rondo.

Also, you said in a previous post, that Landry would get nowhere near the amount of touches. I believe you are 100% right in that regard. However, there's a reason why Green is still averaging over 7 attempts per game despite getting so few touches.

Landry is way more perfect for our team than Green because he doesn't need plays run for him - He'll get his points the same way Green does - through Rondo, double teams from KG/Pierce, fast break, etc, but at a way more efficient rate. 59% FG shooting is not a fluke - get Landry in a good position to score, and he'll score. With the Celtics' personal, they are one of the best executing teams in the NBA. He'd do better than Green is doing.
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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2012, 12:28:07 AM »

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Agree with the OP .   When Green brings his best game , the Celtics look great and are in the thick of the game.  Obviously he was recruited and Paid by Danny to bring this energy on a nightly basis. Gonna be hard to win without Greens best impact on each and every game (just like Pierce)

Bass , Green , and Sully  have to step up their games to take the load off KG and Pierce. They need to play like this all season to give the C's a nice record.
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Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2012, 01:04:38 AM »

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JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4


I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.

How is Jeff green my guy? All I said was Landry definitely isn't.

I guarantee you if Carl Landry took a contract from Boston or Oklahoma city he would not be a 15/5 guy off the bench, because he wouldn't be getting clearouts 5 times a game.

And by the way if you're talking about playing with good point guards. Landry played with Chris Paul in new orleans, the ultimate drive and dish player.

Landry is a pretty crafty guy under the basket and can use his body, but he's not a sixth man for a contending team and his D is average at best.

Landry looked pretty good today. His rebounds really helped lead the warriors to a win. He had 18 points on 7 shots. Not to mention 6 Offensive rebounds and good D on Kevin Love. In case you want to counter that with the warriors being a crap team with no real wins, he provided some clutch baskets and boards against the Clippers, Nets and Twolves(both games). I think we could definitely use what he brings on a consistent basis over one a few 17 point games for Green.

Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2012, 01:33:53 AM »

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I want green getting 30plus mins a game. 28 at the very least. 22 is far too low.