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Offline SHAQATTACK

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2012, 04:16:36 PM »
These trade ideas are starting to make me sick.

agree ........never the Capt. , bench him , retire him , make him a asst. coach,  whatever , but don't turn him loose to the LA LAKERS ....becasue that is EXACTLY where he would land. I'd vomit.

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2012, 04:31:49 PM »
No in 99%, but a 3-team trade would be good if we somehow got both Tayshaun Prince and AJ

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2012, 05:17:24 PM »
don't think pierce makes sense for the jazz

wait january 15th

then a deal that makes sense might be

c's get
big al

cavs get
jeff green
joseph

jazz get
courntey lee
jared
and fab

money adds up, even with lee and green being byc guys

jazz get to be under the cap and pick up a pretty good hall

cavs get another rebuilding piece they can incoprate this year plus they still have max room next summer for a free agent

c's get a another scorer, which they need to take the load off paul, plus al is expring so if he doesn't work out u have max room to get someone (josh smith, hey even dwight is a free agent :P)

Good Lord, We are Giving up 5 players, including JG and Lee and all three rookies for Al Jefferson and nothing else?

No thanks

you can sign free agents to replace those rooks, one of those being kris joseph the 50 something pick in the draft, who has as much chance of turning out as i becoming the next c's head coach

soooo... we just give the cavs jeff green? and sprinkle in a little joseph...for nothing?




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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2012, 06:32:27 PM »
Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.

No way.
Jefferson is a redundant piece in that Jazz squad. They have Millsap, Favors and Kanter to go with.
Honestly, a veteran scorer like Pierce is definitely enough for them to pull the trigger.
Add in Bradley and they'll have your statue erect in their court.

Even if Jefferson is a redundant piece, that doesn't mean Utah should just give him away.  They definitely should be asking for a young player and a draft pick, plus trade ballast who don't represent long-term salary commitments. 

I suggest that a reasonable strategy for Utah is to try to trade one of Milsap/Jefferson for cheap talent (draft picks and/or players on a rookie scale contract) and try to re-sign the other in the off-season, while keeping open the option of a big free agent signing.  Utah should absolutely reject any combination of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry in a trade if that is their plan.  So, to make a trade with Utah, you either need to find a third team to take on a pupu platter of mid-level guys in exchange for an expiring contract or you need to move Pierce and his partially guaranteed contract.  Utah would then either waive (or buy out Pierce) or move him in another trade.

Well, I looked at it from the Celtics' perspective. It's, just as you said, not like Utah is going to re-sign both Jefferson and Millsap for future, so, they'll most likely be looking forward to move one of them.
Obviously, they're not going to give away that one for trash, but I'd be reluctant to give them a best-case offer initially.

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2012, 06:36:14 PM »
Short answer: NO.

Short rationale: Paulie Pancakes needs to stay a career-Celtic.  It is part of his identity as a player and he's smart enough and sentimental enough himself to not only know that, but to VALUE that.

Longer answer with no rationale:

#1. I'd have Al Jeff back any day of the week as long as we're not losing PP, KG, Rondo, or Sullinger.  Rondo and Sullinger are the only 2 (aside from Bradley but he's my chip here) AlJeff would be playing with in 3 years.

#2.  Also, the only way I'd want AlJeff back is if he got to play with KG.  The narrative element of those 2 coming together after Al being traded for KG which delivered us 2008 would be too much for me to bear as  a fan.  I'd be crying with joy every game.

#3. More importantly, AlJeff getting to play with KG is his only chance of living up to his potential.  He needs to learn every sort of defense and KG is the only one that will be able to hold him accountable to the point of educating, not berating or scolding.  If KG can't do it, no one can.

#4. Sullinger is NEVER going to play the 3.  Unless he loses 20 pounds and keeps shooting that 18 footer from the top of the key AND gets quick enough to drive on anyone when he's +8 feet out.

#5. Jefferson is, in deed redundant in the Jazz lineup BUT he is still a valued piece of their offense, and frankly, how could he not be.  He is the only low-post slow down scorer in the NBA. Other than being a black hole, he is the only "slow-down" player in the NBA besides every PG trying to eat up clock or Paul Pierce simply because he's old.  I love the idea of clock management while scoring in the paint and potentially getting opponents in foul trouble.

#6.  I think that's enough points for now.  So I'll propose Big Al for Little Jeff Green, Avery B, and picks.  OR Al Jeff for Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. + pick?  Who knows.

#7. If Big Al comes back to Boston I will try my hardest to change my name to Ras Johan the Green Lion and make the sickest dub song you ever heard.

 

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2012, 06:49:12 PM »
Not when you can give them AB or CLee...

Edit: would do AB plus Jeff Green.

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2012, 07:04:13 PM »
I'd sooner trade Pierce for Pau - Pau can actually play a bit of defense at the 5 spot in addition to scoring/rebounding.
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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2012, 07:10:54 PM »
guess people don't understand the cba

jefferson contract is for $15 mill, you need $9.9 mill to make a trade work

however

there is this thing called BYC, under BYC players who recieved more than 20% raises over there previous salaries, for trade purposes half there salary counts or there previous salary whatever is bigger

green and lee are BYC players, for trade purposes there salaries become 4.45 (what green made last time he played) and 2.5 million (0.5 of courntey current contract) therefore to get 9.9, even if you trade both green and lee and add sully and melo you get to about 9.5 mill, still short of 9.9 mill, therefore you still need to add collins or joseph or something.

So therefore to get al and not trade paul, you need about 5 players going out at least

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2012, 07:46:04 PM »
guess people don't understand the cba

jefferson contract is for $15 mill, you need $9.9 mill to make a trade work

however

there is this thing called BYC, under BYC players who recieved more than 20% raises over there previous salaries, for trade purposes half there salary counts or there previous salary whatever is bigger

green and lee are BYC players, for trade purposes there salaries become 4.45 (what green made last time he played) and 2.5 million (0.5 of courntey current contract) therefore to get 9.9, even if you trade both green and lee and add sully and melo you get to about 9.5 mill, still short of 9.9 mill, therefore you still need to add collins or joseph or something.

So therefore to get al and not trade paul, you need about 5 players going out at least

Understand the CBA and was throwing ideas around simply to say there's ALWAYS a way to make it work.  Also, would have no problem throwing around Collins or Joseph for Big Al.

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2012, 07:55:39 PM »
guess people don't understand the cba

jefferson contract is for $15 mill, you need $9.9 mill to make a trade work

With the hard cap due to using the full MLE, the Celtics probably need to send out something more like $14m.
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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2012, 11:23:30 PM »
I'd sooner trade Pierce for Pau - Pau can actually play a bit of defense at the 5 spot in addition to scoring/rebounding.

Might as well, if your gonna screw up , get something for it.. :
LA is where Pierce would land no doubt comming off the bench helping LA win couple more championships.  He is from LA , nice weather and he would be going home playing for more rings .   I'm sure that is his plan if BOSTON trades him or hangs him out to dry...he an't gonna play on UTAH , MINN, PHIL , INDY or any other third world NBA team.

Best thing for my all out mental health , is for PP to stay in Boston till he retires .

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2012, 01:20:44 AM »
I like Jeffrson, but I would prefer the team go after Smith, Milsap, or Gortat. Pierce is obviously a definitive Celtic, but his game and lack of athleticism can be painful to watch at times. To me, with Pierce its either feast or famine. Usually you get that spectrum of play within a single game. Having said all that, trading Pierce could be potentially devastating to the teams chemistry; therefore, the only potentially attainable player I would trade Pierce for would be Rudy Gay. The way the Grizz are playing now, I doubt they would trade him. But, if they stumble, I could see them wanting to reduce payroll and let Gay go. If Gay does become available, it would be worth the risk to trade pierce. Gay is a star player that can do it all. Plus, he is one of the few players that challenges Lebron on both ends of the floor.

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2012, 01:43:20 AM »
I think I would.  I think Jeff green can start.  If we could resign Big Al for a reasonable contract, it might work out for us.  Paul only has a year or two left in him anyways.

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2012, 02:16:08 AM »
I wouldn't do it.

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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2012, 04:03:54 AM »
nope. not in a million years.
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