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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2012, 01:23:13 PM »

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Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.

No way.
Jefferson is a redundant piece in that Jazz squad. They have Millsap, Favors and Kanter to go with.
Honestly, a veteran scorer like Pierce is definitely enough for them to pull the trigger.
Add in Bradley and they'll have your statue erect in their court.

Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2012, 01:37:13 PM »

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More importantly, big al is on the last year of his contract. Why bother sending players away when his best value to this squad is bringing him in to accentuate the team we've already got?


That said, I don't know nearly enough about our salary cap situation to really provide any input.
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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2012, 01:38:00 PM »

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Never.

Jefferson is a horrifically overrated player who cannot defend, and I have zero interest in him at his current contract price, which is ridiculous.

Horrible trade.
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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2012, 01:41:01 PM »

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Never in a million year never for a million dollars. Terrible terrible.

Al should NOT be on our radar. I love the kid, has a decent game, but he is just bad news waiting to happen. Every team he goes to starts becoming worse.
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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2012, 01:43:32 PM »

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Never in a million year never for a million dollars. Terrible terrible.

Al should NOT be on our radar. I love the kid, has a decent game, but he is just bad news waiting to happen. Every team he goes to starts becoming worse.

Utah improved


Year one they were under 500.


Year two they were over 500. 



This year, they are one game under 500, but it is way to early to call it. 


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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2012, 02:01:17 PM »

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NO the Cs wouldn't get better losing pierce and gaining AL. They would be lucky if this is a lateral move.


Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2012, 02:08:56 PM »

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This is the 2nd post that I have seen someone suggest that Sully could move to the 3 position.  What are you guys smokin?  I would like some of it.

Sully is no where near quick enough to guard 3's in the NBA.  He isn't quick enough to guard athletic 4's.  He would be great on O against 3's but there is no way he would even have a chance on D.

I don't think Jefferson for PP is a good trade for us.  We lose too much in crunch time scoring, good D at the 3.  Just not a good idea.

What about moving Sullinger over to take Pierce's place in the starting line-up?

Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2012, 02:13:34 PM »

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Never in a million year never for a million dollars. Terrible terrible.

Al should NOT be on our radar. I love the kid, has a decent game, but he is just bad news waiting to happen. Every team he goes to starts becoming worse.

Utah improved


Year one they were under 500.


Year two they were over 500. 



This year, they are one game under 500, but it is way to early to call it.

In 09-10 the Jazz were 53 - 29 and lost in the WCsemis.

They traded for Jefferson.

In 09-10 the Jazz were 39 - 43 and missed the playoffs for the first time after four straight appearances and after 24 out of 27 straight season playoff appearances.

In 10 - 11 the barely improved, made the playoffs, but got ousted in the first round by sweep. The Jazz were a much better team before Jefferson came to town.

The Celtics were terrible with him (in heavy rebuilding mode), the Twolves were terrible with him (again in heavy rebuilding mode) and the Jazz got terrible with him when he was supposed to put them over the top. Jefferson is a classic example of talented player putting up great numbers on subpar teams that cant win.
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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2012, 03:14:03 PM »

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don't think pierce makes sense for the jazz

wait january 15th

then a deal that makes sense might be

c's get
big al

cavs get
jeff green
joseph

jazz get
courntey lee
jared
and fab

money adds up, even with lee and green being byc guys

jazz get to be under the cap and pick up a pretty good hall

cavs get another rebuilding piece they can incoprate this year plus they still have max room next summer for a free agent

c's get a another scorer, which they need to take the load off paul, plus al is expring so if he doesn't work out u have max room to get someone (josh smith, hey even dwight is a free agent :P)

Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2012, 03:16:16 PM »

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don't think pierce makes sense for the jazz

wait january 15th

then a deal that makes sense might be

c's get
big al

cavs get
jeff green
joseph

jazz get
courntey lee
jared
and fab

money adds up, even with lee and green being byc guys

jazz get to be under the cap and pick up a pretty good hall

cavs get another rebuilding piece they can incoprate this year plus they still have max room next summer for a free agent

c's get a another scorer, which they need to take the load off paul, plus al is expring so if he doesn't work out u have max room to get someone (josh smith, hey even dwight is a free agent :P)

Good Lord, We are Giving up 5 players, including JG and Lee and all three rookies for Al Jefferson and nothing else?

No thanks
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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2012, 03:17:37 PM »

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Here's another NO to add to the list.
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Dennis Schroeder/Ray McCallum
Tyreke Evans/Jeremy Lamb/R. Ledo
Giannis Antetokounpo/Darrell Arthur/V. Claver
Kelly Olynyk/Nerlens Noel/C. Jefferson
Brandan Wright/Timofey Mozgov/A. Nicholson

Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2012, 03:31:05 PM »

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Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.

No way.
Jefferson is a redundant piece in that Jazz squad. They have Millsap, Favors and Kanter to go with.
Honestly, a veteran scorer like Pierce is definitely enough for them to pull the trigger.
Add in Bradley and they'll have your statue erect in their court.

Even if Jefferson is a redundant piece, that doesn't mean Utah should just give him away.  They definitely should be asking for a young player and a draft pick, plus trade ballast who don't represent long-term salary commitments. 

I suggest that a reasonable strategy for Utah is to try to trade one of Milsap/Jefferson for cheap talent (draft picks and/or players on a rookie scale contract) and try to re-sign the other in the off-season, while keeping open the option of a big free agent signing.  Utah should absolutely reject any combination of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry in a trade if that is their plan.  So, to make a trade with Utah, you either need to find a third team to take on a pupu platter of mid-level guys in exchange for an expiring contract or you need to move Pierce and his partially guaranteed contract.  Utah would then either waive (or buy out Pierce) or move him in another trade.



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Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2012, 03:32:13 PM »

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don't think pierce makes sense for the jazz

wait january 15th

then a deal that makes sense might be

c's get
big al

cavs get
jeff green
joseph

jazz get
courntey lee
jared
and fab

money adds up, even with lee and green being byc guys

jazz get to be under the cap and pick up a pretty good hall

cavs get another rebuilding piece they can incoprate this year plus they still have max room next summer for a free agent

c's get a another scorer, which they need to take the load off paul, plus al is expring so if he doesn't work out u have max room to get someone (josh smith, hey even dwight is a free agent :P)

Good Lord, We are Giving up 5 players, including JG and Lee and all three rookies for Al Jefferson and nothing else?

No thanks

you can sign free agents to replace those rooks, one of those being kris joseph the 50 something pick in the draft, who has as much chance of turning out as i becoming the next c's head coach

Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2012, 03:59:21 PM »

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Never.

Jefferson is a horrifically overrated player who cannot defend, and I have zero interest in him at his current contract price, which is ridiculous.

Horrible trade.

Gotta co sign this.

Al Jefferson is garbage and we were garbage when he was here. Minnesotta was garbage when he was there, and id currently prefer his backup derrick favors

Re: Would you trade Pierce to Utah for Jefferson [IDEA]
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2012, 04:12:52 PM »

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These trade ideas are starting to make me sick.

 

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