just a question for the anti-green crowd, what do you guys exactly want Green to average ppg wise to consider his contract a good one?
if he ends up averaging 12ppg this year, is that solid enough? im not saying he has lived up to his contract or even played well so far this year....hes obviously slumping but seems to be headed in the right direction.
but is it 20-25ppg?? because given his role with the celtics, playing 20-25 minutes off the bench taking 6-7 shots I think its unrealistic to expect that.
because all these guys are using as a contrast, Kirilenko/batum etc. im not sure if they would average more than 12ppg playing a similar role
11 - 12 ppg would be fine - it's the lack of rebounding and assists that bother me stat-wise. he is supposed to be this all-around facilitator type player and he has not been.
but the worst part is his lack of toughness. he's not expected to be any kind of enforcer, but he could at least hold his ground out there and he does tend to disappear in the middle of tough games against tough teams. the guy just has no presence on the court.
if he were our 8th man and we were paying him , say, $5 mil, than ............on second thought, i still wouldn't want him. he simply does not fit this team's personality and i don't see him making any difference when he's on the court - he doesn't add anything towards winning games.
This is more of a side issue, Why do fans get obsessed with what a player makes? It's not my money, If Wick wants to pay Jeff about 2 million more than I think he's worth a year what do I care?
I mean, it would be diffrent if it affected who we could have brought in this year, but it didn't because we are already well over the cap and had to use bird rights on him.
Plus, 8 mill a year = easily tradable. most starters worth a darn are making that kinda money, so I'm not to concerned about it going forward.
well, it kind of did. Because we used the MLE we are hard-capped, and therefore have severe trade restrictions, so if a good trade becomes available, we cannot do it if we take on more salary than we give out.
Second, 8 mil per year is easily tradeable if the player is good. So far, green has shown no evidence that he is. Yes, starters worth a darn are making that amount of money. Problem is, thus far green is not worth a darn.
Third, no team has made overpaying for role players long term a key part of a successful long term strategy. That's the kind of thinking the Knicks usually employ.
You assume they think he's a role player long term. How long do you think Pierce has, realistically, in his legs 2 years? mabey 3?
I would not be shocked to see JG starting for this team within two years.
Yes, so he may be a starter then. But likely still not worth a darn.
did you feel that way when he was averaging 16.5 PPG and 7 rebounds playing out of position in OKC before they got Ibaka?
I think he'd be fine as one of your top options on offense, assuming the Celtics pushed the ball, which is what rondo does when the old guys get off the floor.
He's a poor man's Danny Granger. I'd pay 8 for that if he was starting.
Yep. He has never exceeded MLE or slightly above money. Ever. His numbers have been consistently inefficient, have not improved with NBA experience, and have been inflated by huge minutes. 15 points per game in over 35 minutes at an inefficient clip is, frankly, extremely unimpressively average, a completely empty number, unless that player brings something else to the table, like: Defense, Rebounding, Assist/playmaking, or a cheap contract. Green used to be cheap, but now has none of the other stuff.
Edit: Essentially, at no point in his career has he ever shown any indication that he is even as good, let alone better, than marvin williams or al harrington, both of whom have been considered overpaid why both were making less than green in an older CBA that had higher average contracts.