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« Reply #120 on: November 26, 2012, 12:15:34 PM » |
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Record could assist in cementing rondo as best pg ever.
That is taken by stockton and magic johnson. rondo is not in the same stratosphere.
Not yet.
won't be. rondo by himself cannot take tis team to a championship.
How many times did you see Stockton do that?
Even Magic had HOFers on the team with him when he was winning.
Agreed, but let's be real: Rondo has absolutely zero chance of ever surpassing Magic as the best ever. There's no shame in that.
Not likely, but I would never say "zero chance." On the other hand, he has a fairly realistic chance of being considered in the same class as Stockton when his career is all said and done.
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« Reply #121 on: November 26, 2012, 12:17:41 PM » |
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Record could assist in cementing rondo as best pg ever.
That is taken by stockton and magic johnson. rondo is not in the same stratosphere.
Not yet.
won't be. rondo by himself cannot take tis team to a championship.
How many times did you see Stockton do that?
Even Magic had HOFers on the team with him when he was winning.
Agreed, but let's be real: Rondo has absolutely zero chance of ever surpassing Magic as the best ever. There's no shame in that.
Not likely, but I would never say "zero chance." On the other hand, he has a fairly realistic chance of being considered in the same class as Stockton when his career is all said and done.
I'd say "zero chance" if only because there isn't a smaller number than zero.
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« Reply #122 on: November 26, 2012, 12:27:03 PM » |
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Record could assist in cementing rondo as best pg ever.
That is taken by stockton and magic johnson. rondo is not in the same stratosphere.
Not yet.
won't be. rondo by himself cannot take tis team to a championship.
How many times did you see Stockton do that?
Even Magic had HOFers on the team with him when he was winning.
Agreed, but let's be real: Rondo has absolutely zero chance of ever surpassing Magic as the best ever. There's no shame in that.
Absolutely not.
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« Reply #123 on: November 26, 2012, 12:27:11 PM » |
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It's pretty amazing that we are even having this discussion. He's no Magic, but he's in a neck-and-neck battle with Chris Paul for best point guard in the league, he's almost undeniably a top ten player in the league, he's likely to be the starting Eastern Conference point guard in this year's all star game, very likely to be first team all NBA, might finish top five in MVP voting, plays a style that is all his own, and may just be beginning to enter his prime.
Who'd a thunk this 4 or 5 years ago?
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« Reply #124 on: November 26, 2012, 12:40:59 PM » |
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Record could assist in cementing rondo as best pg ever.
That is taken by stockton and magic johnson. rondo is not in the same stratosphere.
Not yet.
won't be. rondo by himself cannot take tis team to a championship.
How many times did you see Stockton do that?
Even Magic had HOFers on the team with him when he was winning.
Agreed, but let's be real: Rondo has absolutely zero chance of ever surpassing Magic as the best ever. There's no shame in that.
Not likely, but I would never say "zero chance." On the other hand, he has a fairly realistic chance of being considered in the same class as Stockton when his career is all said and done.
When Magic had reached Rondo's age he had averaged 7.5 more points, 2.5 more assists, 3.6 more rebounds, and .5 more steals per game, while shooting 55% to Rondo's 48%. He also had won 2 more championships. He'd have to surpass Jordan immediately if he wanted to catch up to Magic's career.
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« Reply #125 on: November 26, 2012, 12:55:42 PM » |
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Theres alot of old school Celtics commentators (Maxwell, Bob Ryan, Shaughnessy, etc.) that do not like the Rondo streak. And think Rondo is more worried about the assist streak than actually winning games
Rondo should just tell them straight up "Yeah I'm going after the Magic Johnson streak...And??"
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« Reply #126 on: November 26, 2012, 01:28:17 PM » |
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Theres alot of old school Celtics commentators (Maxwell, Bob Ryan, Shaughnessy, etc.) that do not like the Rondo streak. And think Rondo is more worried about the assist streak than actually winning games
Rondo should just tell them straight up "Yeah I'm going after the Magic Johnson streak...And??"
Maybe the critics of Rondo , just don't want a LA players record broken , in particular they idol Magic Johnson. The major network media is IN LOVE with the Lakers , and anytime some of LA's glory is threaten , they pronto to the rescue of there favorite team.
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« Reply #127 on: November 26, 2012, 04:42:10 PM » |
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You guys seriously have no idea what you are talking about if you think Jeff Green is as good, or even in the same stratosphere as James Worthy. Worthy was so much better a player and a more complete player than green as to make the comparison quite silly.
Heck just the fact that as the games got more important, Worthy raised the level of his performance whereas Green's game usually shrinks when the pressure is dialed up, is all you need to know about the difference between these two guys.
Jeff Green is a supremely talented slasher/scorer capable of putting up 20 points per game. The reason he hasn't had the STATS of a James Worthy is because Doc plays him at a 4 for only 20 minutes a game. He is also coming off surgery and has played 10 games so far. Give the guy a break.
Was Doc coaching Green in OKC?
No and therefore he was averaging close to 20 ppg on a very good okc team. green has the potential to be as good as Worthy more so than Rondo does of Stockton. Green is more talented and has greater potential.
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« Reply #128 on: November 26, 2012, 04:51:43 PM » |
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You guys seriously have no idea what you are talking about if you think Jeff Green is as good, or even in the same stratosphere as James Worthy. Worthy was so much better a player and a more complete player than green as to make the comparison quite silly.
Heck just the fact that as the games got more important, Worthy raised the level of his performance whereas Green's game usually shrinks when the pressure is dialed up, is all you need to know about the difference between these two guys.
Jeff Green is a supremely talented slasher/scorer capable of putting up 20 points per game. The reason he hasn't had the STATS of a James Worthy is because Doc plays him at a 4 for only 20 minutes a game. He is also coming off surgery and has played 10 games so far. Give the guy a break.
Was Doc coaching Green in OKC?
No and therefore he was averaging close to 20 ppg on a very good okc team. green has the potential to be as good as Worthy more so than Rondo does of Stockton. Green is more talented and has greater potential.
The only year Green ever averaged more than 15 a game (16.5) OKC was 23-59. I would strongly disagree with your claim that it was a very good team. And there's no way Green is more talented than Rondo. Wake me up the next time Green's the dominant player in a playoff series.
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« Reply #129 on: November 26, 2012, 04:52:17 PM » |
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Jeff Green is nowhere close to James Worthy territory.
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« Reply #130 on: November 26, 2012, 06:03:14 PM » |
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The only year Green ever averaged more than 15 a game (16.5) OKC was 23-59.
... pardon?
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« Reply #131 on: November 26, 2012, 06:08:31 PM » |
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The only year Green ever averaged more than 15 a game (16.5) OKC was 23-59.
... pardon?
He's right. '08-09.
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 '13 CB Historical Draft Milwaukee Bucks PG- Norm Nixon, Darnell Valentine SG- David Thompson, Craig Hodges SF- James Worthy, Calvin Natt, Robert Reid PF- Terry Cummings, Rick Mahorn C- Moses Malone, Tom Owens, Chuck Nevitt Coach- Dr. Jack Ramsay
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« Reply #132 on: November 26, 2012, 06:09:37 PM » |
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It's funny how much amnesia people have about those early Thunder seasons... kind of like how people forget they're owned by scumbags.
Back to the assist record... I want any given basketball team to do one of two things each game. Win, and entertain. Rondo always throws three or four "holy crap" passes a game, and since the games really don't matter at this point in the year, I've got no problem with him gunning for that #1 spot.
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“The game would still be as fun and as remembered for me even if I never win a world championship. I would much rather win. But if I don’t, I’m not going to look back at my career and say it was tarnished because I never won a world championship.” -Michael Jordan, 1991. Eastern Conference Finals.
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« Reply #133 on: November 26, 2012, 06:10:22 PM » |
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The only year Green ever averaged more than 15 a game (16.5) OKC was 23-59.
... pardon?
I like brevity, but that's carrying things a little too far.
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« Reply #134 on: November 26, 2012, 06:32:45 PM » |
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The kid can play listen to any of the analysts on espn and they will say that jeff green will play a big part in the celtics championship run and that he will be a great centerpiece to build around into the future.
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