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Think we'll start Pierce at SG eventually?
« on: November 10, 2012, 03:54:52 PM »

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FWIW, this season is playing out exactly as I imagined.  I had us playing .500 ball until at least January when we can explore trading some of our assets for an upgraded big.  I think there's little question that's our main issue... size next to KG.  Neither Bass or Sullinger is a starting big man in this league.  Beyond those two it's a bunch of min contract bums. 

At SG, we're trotting out a trio of averageness.  Lee, Terry and Barbosa are all effective backup guards.  They are somewhat redundant, though.  I don't really feel Bradley is any better than them... when he comes back you'll have 4 redundant undersized backup shooting guards.   

Cut Jeff Green some slack, though.  I think he should be starting... and starting at his natural position (SF).  He's not a big man.  That was his issue in Oklahoma.  He needs to be starting with Rondo and running the floor.

My eventual hope is that we can package some of the minimal assets we have (Sullinger, Bradley, Lee, Terry, Bass... whatever) and somehow luck into a real big man (Big Al?  Maybe Josh Smith?) ... then I'd be favor of starting Green at SF, moving Pierce to SG and having whatever crap left over come off our bench.  Thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2012, 04:01:45 PM »

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I would like to see Courtney Lee continue to start at SG but have his minutes cut back drastically. More of a Keith Bogans type starter who plays 16-20 minutes or even 20-24 minutes. Then use those vacant minutes to free up additional playing time for Jason Terry and Jeff Green (alongside Pierce).

I would keep Courtney Lee as the starter because I like his superior quickness defensively (versus Green/Pierce) to open games.

I would consider switching that around when playing teams with either (1) big starting two guards like a Kobe Bryant or Joe Johnson - where I think Pierce is the best defensive option), or, (2) explosive scoring combo guards off the bench which Lee is better suited to defending (say Ben Gordon). 

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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2012, 04:05:32 PM »

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I would like to see Courtney Lee continue to start at SG but have his minutes cut back drastically. More of a Keith Bogans type starter who plays 16-20 minutes or even 20-24 minutes. Then use those vacant minutes to free up additional playing time for Jason Terry and Jeff Green (alongside Pierce).

I would keep Courtney Lee as the starter because I like his superior quickness defensively (versus Green/Pierce) to open games.

I would consider switching that around when playing teams with either (1) big starting two guards like a Kobe Bryant or Joe Johnson - where I think Pierce is the best defensive option), or, (2) explosive scoring combo guards off the bench which Lee is better suited to defending (say Ben Gordon).
It's tough to do it right now, because then we'd have 3 redundant undersized guards coming off our bench... but it would be interesting to see how the team would play for a few games with Green starting at SF and Pierce starting at SG.  Let the undersized teams adapt to us... as opposed to constantly trying to match up to our competition.   

Mid January can't get here soon enough.  Can't wait to see what this team looks like after the trade deadline.   I've been saying it since this summer... this roster doesn't make any sense right now.

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2012, 04:10:15 PM »

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I don't feel comfortable with Paul as a full time shooting guard.  I mean no disrespect to the Captain, but he currently looks pretty slow at the 3.  I'd move him to power forward at this stage of his career before I moved him to shooting guard.

I think our guard rotation is just fine, and I completely agree with Who that Jet should be getting the lion's share of the minutes at the two. 
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2012, 04:10:24 PM »

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I wish starting PP at the 2 could work. I mean I like it when we are on offense.  I just don't think PP is going to be able to match up with many 2's when he is playing D, he is too slow.  PP is a great def at the 3, but he is even slow for that position in certain matchups.  Plus we seem to be getting beat of the dribble a lot to the lane with our current lineup.  How much worse would that get with PP at the 2?

If we trade for J Smith putting him at the 4 instead of sully or BB I think PP at the 2 might work because J Smith is a way better help defender.

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2012, 04:25:08 PM »

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He should. Jeff green is useless coming off the bench and we need to try another route...add to that Courtney is terrible then it should be a no brainer!



Pierce himself has been bad though and something that ran through my mind is if we brought him off the bench to start green and get his minutes down would he feel disrespected and want out like ray? I say yes

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2012, 05:16:41 PM »

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I think it's worth a shot if this keeps up. Is Pierce really any worse at guarding 2s then Kobe is at this point.

Lee isn't making much of an impact and WE HAVE TO GET MORE from Jeff Green.

That being said. It's been five games. Lets get to 12-15 games and see how we are doing.

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2012, 05:17:16 PM »

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Haha!  Yeah, if we could get Smith without giving up Green, I'd love to see a line-up of Rondo, Pierce, Green, Smith, KG.  I'd substitute Big Al into that line-up, but Green would likely be gone.

Heck, I'd like to see more of Pierce & Green at SG/SF regardless.

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2012, 05:20:38 PM »

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  If PP is going to get a shot at sg it won't come until after Bradley gets back and shows that he can't play as well as he did last year.

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2012, 05:33:34 PM »

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What does Pierce give us at SG?  They are not playing poorly because of lack of length/height at the 3/4 positions, they are playing poorly because their defense is sucks and they are turning the ball over.

Pierce is a turnover machine.  We know this.  He is also getting old.  We know this.  Playing him at guard is a terrible idea.

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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2012, 05:48:57 PM »

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I like the idea of Green playing with the starters and having Pierce and Green on the floor at the same time.

Let's go big at the 2-3 to start the game. A staring line-up of KG, Bass/Wilcox, PP, Green and Rondo sounds pretty formidable to me.

Lots of teams have oversized 2s: Paul George, Kevin Durant, etc.

Pierce can defend the 3 and Green the 2. Offensively, there is a lot of versatility there.

Whoever doesn't start at the 4 can be the 1st sub in for KG. Terry can be next in for PP and Green can then defend the 3.

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That being said. It's been five games. Lets get to 12-15 games and see how we are doing.

I kinda feel like this should be the standard response to 2 out of 3 threads right now. Did Jeff Green have a bad start? Its been 5 games, he's coming back from a year off in a role he never really had a chance to solidify in the first place. Takes time.

Are the new guys not as good as we hoped? its been 5 games, and of the new guys we're hoping to contribute, 1 is a rookie and 1 is leandro barbosa.

Are the Knicks/Bulls/whoever besides the Heat looking good right now? ITS BEEN 5 GAMES. Everything has been 5 games. They're all 5 games. 5 games, all day every day. Until there are 6.

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2012, 07:42:05 PM »

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That being said. It's been five games. Lets get to 12-15 games and see how we are doing.

I kinda feel like this should be the standard response to 2 out of 3 threads right now. Did Jeff Green have a bad start? Its been 5 games, he's coming back from a year off in a role he never really had a chance to solidify in the first place. Takes time.

Are the new guys not as good as we hoped? its been 5 games, and of the new guys we're hoping to contribute, 1 is a rookie and 1 is leandro barbosa.

Are the Knicks/Bulls/whoever besides the Heat looking good right now? ITS BEEN 5 GAMES. Everything has been 5 games. They're all 5 games. 5 games, all day every day. Until there are 6.
For what it's worth, I want it to be noted that I created this thread before Jeff showed some signs of life against the Bucks.  I don't care if it's 1 game, 5 games, 10 games or 20 games... we're paying Jeff Green starters money... he's our 4th best player... and it makes sense for him to be starting at his natural SF position.

I don't think another 10-20 games is going to change what I know about Lee, Terry and Barbosa.  They are solid backups.  Bradley is a tough one to put a finger on, though.  His handful of solid games weren't enough to prove to me he was a future "star"... but I understand why people are optimistic. 

It might not be the right time to start Green and Pierce at the same time.  We need to continue feeding minutes to our guards so hopefully we can entice teams to trade for them in a couple months.  But come January, I think this is what I'm expecting to see.  Pile some assets together for a quality big.  Start PG - Rondo, SG - Pierce, SF - Green, Big 1 - KG, Big 2 - ?  ...   Whoever is left can come off the bench.  If we somehow manage to keep Bradley, I can see him being an effective little defensive pest off the bench that we can utilize against smaller guards.  Basically a smaller version of what Tony Allen was for us... although Tony had a bit more size to deal with the larger guards like Kobe.
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Not sure if you can get a solid big man out of Sullinger, Bass, and Lee.

C's need Bradley. He's the best defensive guard on the team and will pay dividends in the playoffs.

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2012, 08:26:01 PM »

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I like Pierce at SG with Green on the floor at SF.  Not for the whole game of course but for key stretches.

I think Milicic would be the best 5th guys to go along with that line up (Rondo, PP, JG, KG, Darko) but it is clear that Darko has not earned Doc's trust.

I think they should play Bradley at back-up PG when he comes back to reduce Rondo's minutes, we have plenty of other SGs.  Barbosa then moves down the bench.

Terry is the best of the rest in terms of SG and will be on the court at SG more than Bradley.  That is part of why I think it is so important to get Bradley on the court at back-up PG.

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