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Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2012, 05:52:26 AM »

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Once Bradley comes back healthy, a mid-season trade of Bass, Lee, Sullinger, and a first-round pick to New Orleans for Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson.

There is no way I do that. Anderson is overrated and Smith is a Darko without any hype. Giving up all of our trading chips for mediocre bigs makes no sense. If we're trading for a center let's target Gortat or Cousins.

Anderson is a better player than Al Jefferson or Amare Stoudemire.  Jason Smith knows what to do if D-Wade tries to pull a punk move on Rondo.
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Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2012, 09:04:35 AM »

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Get us Jason Smith.

Once Bradley comes back healthy, a mid-season trade of Bass, Lee, Sullinger, and a first-round pick to New Orleans for Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson.

That's a horribllllle trade!
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Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2012, 09:32:44 AM »

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I love Zaza, but I am not sure why Atlanta would trade him.

Ultimately though, I think the answer for the C's is already on the roster.  They just need Wilcox and Darko to get healthy and up to speed.  Bringing in someone new just means they have to start learning the system from scratch.

At this point, unless they have serious injuries, they should only be looking to trade for big men, if they can get a real upgrade (like a Smith or Varajao type), not just another end of the rotation player.  Otherwise, work on getting the guys you have up to speed.

Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2012, 10:49:40 AM »

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Get us Jason Smith.

Once Bradley comes back healthy, a mid-season trade of Bass, Lee, Sullinger, and a first-round pick to New Orleans for Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson.

Well, I wanted Jason Smith, but not for that much. I mean cmon now...

I think he could be traded for Darko/Wilcox/Bass and a 2nd.

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Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2012, 10:58:02 AM »

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Once Bradley comes back healthy, a mid-season trade of Bass, Lee, Sullinger, and a first-round pick to New Orleans for Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson.

There is no way I do that. Anderson is overrated and Smith is a Darko without any hype. Giving up all of our trading chips for mediocre bigs makes no sense. If we're trading for a center let's target Gortat or Cousins.

Anderson is a better player than Al Jefferson or Amare Stoudemire.  Jason Smith knows what to do if D-Wade tries to pull a punk move on Rondo.

Terrible trade indeed. There is no way I take Anderson over Jefferson, and I really dont like Jefferson. I would even gamble on Amare's health and contract over Anderson. Anderson had such an overrated year in Orlando last year.



Get us Jason Smith.

Once Bradley comes back healthy, a mid-season trade of Bass, Lee, Sullinger, and a first-round pick to New Orleans for Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson.

Well, I wanted Jason Smith, but not for that much. I mean cmon now...

I think he could be traded for Darko/Wilcox/Bass and a 2nd.



There is absolutely no way that I trade those three plus a pick for Jason Smith. That is ludacris. Bass alone is mile better than Smith. So is WIlcox. Id even take Darko over Smith no way would I trade all three of them. My center targedt if we go for anyone is by far Gortat. Bass/Bradley/first rounder and a filler for Gortat would be the best thing we could do tradewise.

Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2012, 11:47:08 AM »

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At this point, unless they have serious injuries, they should only be looking to trade for big men, if they can get a real upgrade (like a Smith or Varajao type), not just another end of the rotation player.  Otherwise, work on getting the guys you have up to speed.

I'd agree with this.

We already have enough low-cost bigs.  Doc just needs to play them, particularly WIlcox (maybe Darko too).

If we're making a trade, it needs to be for a game changer.

Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2012, 11:49:50 AM »

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Once Bradley comes back healthy, a mid-season trade of Bass, Lee, Sullinger, and a first-round pick to New Orleans for Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson.


Well, I wanted Jason Smith, but not for that much. I mean cmon now...

I think he could be traded for Darko/Wilcox/Bass and a 2nd.



There is absolutely no way that I trade those three plus a pick for Jason Smith. That is ludacris. Bass alone is mile better than Smith. So is WIlcox. Id even take Darko over Smith no way would I trade all three of them. My center targedt if we go for anyone is by far Gortat. Bass/Bradley/first rounder and a filler for Gortat would be the best thing we could do tradewise.

You got me all wrong sir. The slashes (/) means either one of the three, not all three of them. I guess it was me. LOL

I, most certainly would not do it as well, all three of them for Smith. I mean, I love Smith's game, he hustles, rebounds good, decent to solid rim protector, midrange game. Not to mention he's a legitimate 7'0" and is rough and tough and would not get "punked". But I am NOT doing it for those three, those three together should land a near all star.

I believe one of the three i mentioned though, + a 2nd rounder should probably do the deal.
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Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2012, 12:05:19 PM »

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Once Bradley comes back healthy, a mid-season trade of Bass, Lee, Sullinger, and a first-round pick to New Orleans for Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson.

There is no way I do that. Anderson is overrated and Smith is a Darko without any hype. Giving up all of our trading chips for mediocre bigs makes no sense. If we're trading for a center let's target Gortat or Cousins.

Anderson is a better player than Al Jefferson or Amare Stoudemire.  Jason Smith knows what to do if D-Wade tries to pull a punk move on Rondo.

That... was a joke wasn't it? Cause even though Jefferson and Amare are defensive scrubs, they are Dennis Rodman and KG compared to Anderson. That and they have more at their arsenal than a jumpshot. Oh and they had better numbers than Anderson last year. Much better all-around too.

If Ryan Anderson is better than Big Al and Amare, then so is Glen Davis, and we all know that isn't true.

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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2012, 12:16:33 PM »

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we got three bigs sitting on the bench now. 

I  HATE small ball... Miami is fluke team with LBJ , playing every postion from guard to center ...  unless another LBJ is out there it is waste of time.

Dear Doc wake up ... put Wilcox and Darko and play ball.

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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2012, 12:24:26 PM »

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we got three bigs sitting on the bench now. 

I  HATE small ball... Miami is fluke team with LBJ , playing every postion from guard to center ...  unless another LBJ is out there it is waste of time.

Dear Doc wake up ... put Wilcox and Darko and play ball.
Not sure how playing players who aren't good or who don't get "it" or aren't in good enough shape yet is going to make this team better.

Wilcox, in limited minutes has looked good offensively and horrible defensively. Darko is just a god awful player. Collins is worse.

Why play these guys if the net effect on the team will be negative? I just don't get that.

Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2012, 12:47:16 PM »

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Once Bradley comes back healthy, a mid-season trade of Bass, Lee, Sullinger, and a first-round pick to New Orleans for Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson.

There is no way I do that. Anderson is overrated and Smith is a Darko without any hype. Giving up all of our trading chips for mediocre bigs makes no sense. If we're trading for a center let's target Gortat or Cousins.

Anderson is a better player than Al Jefferson or Amare Stoudemire.  Jason Smith knows what to do if D-Wade tries to pull a punk move on Rondo.

That... was a joke wasn't it? Cause even though Jefferson and Amare are defensive scrubs, they are Dennis Rodman and KG compared to Anderson. That and they have more at their arsenal than a jumpshot. Oh and they had better numbers than Anderson last year. Much better all-around too.

It's absolutely not a joke.  Anderson is not a great individual defender, but I think that he is a better fit than Jefferson or Stoudemire on a team that requires intelligent rotations for its defense to work.
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Re: Cheap Big Man Options for the C's ?
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2012, 12:52:22 PM »

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At this point, unless they have serious injuries, they should only be looking to trade for big men, if they can get a real upgrade (like a Smith or Varajao type), not just another end of the rotation player.  Otherwise, work on getting the guys you have up to speed.

I'd agree with this.

We already have enough low-cost bigs.  Doc just needs to play them, particularly WIlcox (maybe Darko too).

If we're making a trade, it needs to be for a game changer.
Ideally, it'd be a game changing big man (like Varejao or a Josh Smith) but I would be happy with a lesser option.

To acquire a solid starting PF (Ty Thomas) to go alongside Garnett or a high level backup C (?) to spell Garnett. I think adding a more solid option in either area (starting PF, backup C) would give the team a nice boost. Get Garnett some more help defensively.

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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2012, 01:02:22 PM »

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At this point, unless they have serious injuries, they should only be looking to trade for big men, if they can get a real upgrade (like a Smith or Varajao type), not just another end of the rotation player.  Otherwise, work on getting the guys you have up to speed.

I'd agree with this.

We already have enough low-cost bigs.  Doc just needs to play them, particularly WIlcox (maybe Darko too).

If we're making a trade, it needs to be for a game changer.
Ideally, it'd be a game changing big man (like Varejao or a Josh Smith) but I would be happy with a lesser option.

To acquire a solid starting PF (Ty Thomas) to go alongside Garnett or a high level backup C (?) to spell Garnett. I think adding a more solid option in either area (starting PF, backup C) would give the team a nice boost. Get Garnett some more help defensively.

Here's the problem.  Ty Thomas is not a solid starting PF.  He has always been a bench guy and spot starter at best, and that is when he can stay healthy. 

As an energy guy off the bench, I can see an argument, but there is zero evidence that he can be even an average starter.

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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2012, 01:08:59 PM »

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Two thoughts:

1) I maintain as I have for months I'd rather have Kenyon Martin on this team than have the combo of Darko and J Collins, who basically cancel each other out to me. Cut one of them out and sign the guy;

2) Larry Sanders should be a trade target. The Bucks have more PFs than the Hall of Fame, and need to rebuild completely. If The Colonel could learn to reduce his foul rate, he could be lethal as a weak side rim defender in the Celtics system, then run the floor on the break with RR. There's no better mentor for a player like him than KG. Trade Melo for him.
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2012, 01:10:10 PM »

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At this point, unless they have serious injuries, they should only be looking to trade for big men, if they can get a real upgrade (like a Smith or Varajao type), not just another end of the rotation player.  Otherwise, work on getting the guys you have up to speed.

I'd agree with this.

We already have enough low-cost bigs.  Doc just needs to play them, particularly WIlcox (maybe Darko too).

If we're making a trade, it needs to be for a game changer.
Ideally, it'd be a game changing big man (like Varejao or a Josh Smith) but I would be happy with a lesser option.

To acquire a solid starting PF (Ty Thomas) to go alongside Garnett or a high level backup C (?) to spell Garnett. I think adding a more solid option in either area (starting PF, backup C) would give the team a nice boost. Get Garnett some more help defensively.

Here's the problem.  Ty Thomas is not a solid starting PF.  He has always been a bench guy and spot starter at best, and that is when he can stay healthy. 

As an energy guy off the bench, I can see an argument, but there is zero evidence that he can be even an average starter.
I disagree, I consider Ty Thomas a solid starting PF. Below average but solid. Probably in that 18th to 22nd type range amongst starting PFs.

Excellent athleticism. Strong defensive player. Very active on team defense. Creates turnovers. Solid rebounding. A solid midrange and long two point jump-shot to provide adequate floor spacing. Excellent finisher in transition and around the basket. Draws fouls and get to the foul line.

Tyrus Thomas has some problems but his strengths more than make up for his weaknesses. He is a very solid option as a starting PF. Tyrus Thomas has the athleticism, defense / rebounding and skill-level required to be a starting caliber PF.