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Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2012, 10:28:49 AM »

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Well, I am glad for Puerto Rico.  I hope The Island joins the union some day soon.

I was born and raised in Puerto Rico.  I live and work in the mainland.  I try to visit as often as I can.  It's a beautiful Island filled with fun politically educated people who enjoy a good time.

As for the electorate;  Puertoricans are about 50/50 Republican/Democrat.

Although residents of Puerto Rico can't vote for presidency,  they get drafted and fight for the American flag all the same as ordered by the commander in chief.  So yes,  I am glad the Islad has taken the first big step in hopes of joining the Union.
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Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2012, 11:12:04 AM »

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The answer is simply just not making the states winner take and all and doing it like Nebraska does i.e. by district with the popular vote winner getting the two extra electoral college votes
Once again, gerrymandering.

Under that system Romney would have almost certainly gotten more Electoral college votes from PA/OH than Obama despite Obama getting more votes.

Yup - gerrymandering goes through the roof.  Remember the Nebraska House was so upset about Obama taking one of their EVs in 2008 that they redistricted to make it very difficult to repeat in 2012.

http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2011/10/10/4e92d4929b7bb

which is why the state legislature shouldn't control things like that.  That is a much smaller problem then the one that currently exists though.
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Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2012, 11:47:50 AM »

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Well, I am glad for Puerto Rico.  I hope The Island joins the union some day soon.

I was born and raised in Puerto Rico.  I live and work in the mainland.  I try to visit as often as I can.  It's a beautiful Island filled with fun politically educated people who enjoy a good time.

As for the electorate;  Puertoricans are about 50/50 Republican/Democrat.

Although residents of Puerto Rico can't vote for presidency,  they get drafted and fight for the American flag all the same as ordered by the commander in chief.  So yes,  I am glad the Islad has taken the first big step in hopes of joining the Union.
drafted?

Well obviously they don't do the draft anymore, but yes, my dad and uncle were drafted way back then.

We have a volunteer military now, and a bunch of Island Puertoricans volunteer just the same. 

Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2012, 12:06:27 PM »

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If I'm a conservative politician I insist on splitting California before letting in PR.
It isn't allowed.  Besides that would just get 2 extra senate and electoral college votes for Democrats because there is no way to split California that makes geographic sense that would yield a Republican controlled state.

Can we just swap PR for CA then?
Or Texas. Deporting Perry would be such a boon. Clowns like that made me able to take Arnold seriously as a politician.

Though it would be sad to lose the music scene in Austin.

As an original New Yorker, I would be glad to become a separate state. If the blue northeast separated, I'm pretty sure the northeast has the easier road ahead once disconnected from so many states that haven't pulled their weight for a long time.

This whole tangent is questionable. Just using the PR issue as a reason to mention our partisanship.

New york is such a funny state politically.  Its a huge geographic state obviously and when you get out of NYC so much of it is republican. 

Being in Ithaca for 4 years it was funny because Ithaca itself was very liberal but if you went 5 minutes outside the city in any direction you were surrounded by nothing but republican political signage
Republican party in NY is an absolute train wreck though.

Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2012, 12:10:13 PM »

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If I'm a conservative politician I insist on splitting California before letting in PR.
It isn't allowed.  Besides that would just get 2 extra senate and electoral college votes for Democrats because there is no way to split California that makes geographic sense that would yield a Republican controlled state.

Can we just swap PR for CA then?
California had more people vote Republican then every state except Florida and Texas and that might actually change since much of California still isn't in (while most of Florida and Texas are). 

The answer is simply just not making the states winner take and all and doing it like Nebraska does i.e. by district with the popular vote winner getting the two extra electoral college votes
Texas is booming economically - criticize them all you want, they look like CA looked years ago. Interesting will be the Hispanic growth their, combined with corporate growth, if it will eventually swing back.

CA makes sense to split for other reasons, not just splitting off a Republican and Democratic N/S. They are vastly different geographic issues facing the state in the north and south. Also I think their financial problems (which are really bad) might have a chance at smaller scale.

I was always under the impression that southern cali would be republican. I still think it'd be better for the country and the people who live there if it was smaller. I don't see why it's illegal either - happened before WVa/VA and MA/ME.

Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2012, 06:14:50 PM »

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If I could, I would split Cali into 4 states instead of 2.  One centered around LA, another around the Bay Area, and northern and southern states not including those two areas.

I find the current states to be a bit of an outdated division that makes local governance more difficult than it should be and wish we could redraw the states completely to eliminate major metropolitan areas from being divided between multiple state jurisdictions.
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Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2012, 06:46:24 AM »

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If I'm a conservative politician I insist on splitting California before letting in PR.
It isn't allowed.  Besides that would just get 2 extra senate and electoral college votes for Democrats because there is no way to split California that makes geographic sense that would yield a Republican controlled state.

Can we just swap PR for CA then?
California had more people vote Republican then every state except Florida and Texas and that might actually change since much of California still isn't in (while most of Florida and Texas are). 

The answer is simply just not making the states winner take and all and doing it like Nebraska does i.e. by district with the popular vote winner getting the two extra electoral college votes
Texas is booming economically - criticize them all you want, they look like CA looked years ago. Interesting will be the Hispanic growth their, combined with corporate growth, if it will eventually swing back.

CA makes sense to split for other reasons, not just splitting off a Republican and Democratic N/S. They are vastly different geographic issues facing the state in the north and south. Also I think their financial problems (which are really bad) might have a chance at smaller scale.

I was always under the impression that southern cali would be republican. I still think it'd be better for the country and the people who live there if it was smaller. I don't see why it's illegal either - happened before WVa/VA and MA/ME.
I mis-spoke.  It is allowed, but it is much more difficult.  It requires a lot more work for it to happen that way than for a new state to just form.

Southern California has a lot more Republican districts than Northern California, but the votes are still dominated by the very democratic areas of L.A. and San Diego, which have way more votes than anywhere else.
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Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2012, 08:24:28 AM »

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Lots of Purto Ricans serve in our Armed Forces, they are good men.

Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2012, 08:26:27 AM »

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Best thing about PR, drinking age = 18.

Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2012, 08:30:52 AM »

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If Puerto Rico want to be a state, I welcome them.

Speaking of state splitting, I think we should break Rhode Island up into three states: North, South, and East Bay.  The only problem is we'd start getting our electoral votes in fractions of a point. 
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Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2012, 10:17:26 AM »

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Apparently, both Obama and Congress are hesitant to sign off on this, as the majority of votes cast opted for something other than statehood:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/puerto-rico-state-reasons-will-not-become-51st-state_n_2095366.html


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Re: Puerto Rico votes to Join the Union
« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2012, 09:36:00 PM »

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If I'm a conservative politician I insist on splitting California before letting in PR.
It isn't allowed.  Besides that would just get 2 extra senate and electoral college votes for Democrats because there is no way to split California that makes geographic sense that would yield a Republican controlled state.

Can we just swap PR for CA then?
California had more people vote Republican then every state except Florida and Texas and that might actually change since much of California still isn't in (while most of Florida and Texas are). 

The answer is simply just not making the states winner take and all and doing it like Nebraska does i.e. by district with the popular vote winner getting the two extra electoral college votes
Texas is booming economically - criticize them all you want, they look like CA looked years ago. Interesting will be the Hispanic growth their, combined with corporate growth, if it will eventually swing back.

CA makes sense to split for other reasons, not just splitting off a Republican and Democratic N/S. They are vastly different geographic issues facing the state in the north and south. Also I think their financial problems (which are really bad) might have a chance at smaller scale.

I was always under the impression that southern cali would be republican. I still think it'd be better for the country and the people who live there if it was smaller. I don't see why it's illegal either - happened before WVa/VA and MA/ME.
I mis-spoke.  It is allowed, but it is much more difficult.  It requires a lot more work for it to happen that way than for a new state to just form.

Southern California has a lot more Republican districts than Northern California, but the votes are still dominated by the very democratic areas of L.A. and San Diego, which have way more votes than anywhere else.
Seriously.  It's not even close; SoCal is so firmly democrat it's not even funny... look at the numbers in L.A. alone.  Where could you split the line of CA to morph it to even be considered a vaguely swing state?  L.A. county has a MILLION more blue votes than red ones.  Hovering over every single red county in the entire state (up to the Oregon border) doesn't even come close to making up that deficit.

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/CA

EDIT:  In short, if every single blue county besides L.A. dropped off the face of the earth, CA would still go to the Democratic party and it wouldn't even be close.
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