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Offline D Dub

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Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« on: November 05, 2012, 12:22:16 PM »
are we outgrowing this system?

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 12:33:57 PM »
Electoral College is fine, but winner-take-all needs to go. Nothing wrong with distribution of EC votes being proportional.

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 12:37:11 PM »
No, it's fine as is.

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2012, 12:52:58 PM »
Electoral College is fine, but winner-take-all needs to go. Nothing wrong with distribution of EC votes being proportional.

So, then you're saying Electoral College isn't fine...

And proportionally distributing EC votes will have essentially the same effect as a popular vote.  So, why not just make it simple and go to a popular vote?

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2012, 12:57:43 PM »
Electoral College is the worst system, except for all the other options. 

I do kinda like the idea of apportioning the number of EC votes each state gets by the number of voters in the last presidential election, not raw population.

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2012, 12:59:26 PM »
So, then you're saying Electoral College isn't fine...
There's nothing wrong with the Electoral College as set up by the Constitution. The problem is with the states. Not everyone is winner-take-all: Maine and Nebraska theoretically have proportional distribution of EC votes.

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And proportionally distributing EC votes will have essentially the same effect as a popular vote.  So, why not just make it simple and go to a popular vote?
Not the same as a popular vote. EC is Senate + House numbers, not just House (which is what a popular vote would imply). This gives a bit more weight to states without large populations.

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 01:01:19 PM »
Cons of popular vote:  ?

Marginalizes rural areas and states not named New York City, Chicago, Miami, LA, Philadelphia, Houston, etc..

Population density will dominate candidate's attentions.

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2012, 01:16:24 PM »
Cons of popular vote:  ?

Marginalizes rural areas and states not named New York City, Chicago, Miami, LA, Philadelphia, Houston, etc..

Population density will dominate candidate's attentions.

That sounds like a better spread that we have now, with Ohio and FL accounting for just 10% of the US population.

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2012, 01:20:09 PM »
Really should go to IRV.
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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2012, 01:30:21 PM »
I have no qualms with the current system.


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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2012, 01:44:49 PM »
No, it's fine as is.

  Agreed.

Yes.

There are lots of nuance to what the electoral college does, that are often missed. Google can be your friend if you are interested.

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2012, 01:48:32 PM »
Cons of popular vote:  ?

Marginalizes rural areas and states not named New York City, Chicago, Miami, LA, Philadelphia, Houston, etc..

Population density will dominate candidate's attentions.

That sounds like a better spread that we have now, with Ohio and FL accounting for just 10% of the US population.
The big cities aren't really marginalized. They are hugely important in the primary voting and important in the EC, except to the extent they lock into one party. So Miami, Houston, Philly are getting attention this time around.


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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2012, 02:18:26 PM »
Electoral College is fine, but winner-take-all needs to go. Nothing wrong with distribution of EC votes being proportional.

If that means all states going to the Maine / Nebraska system, I'm on board. 

I have no idea which party that would help / hurt more.  However, I think it's the fairest solution.

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Re: Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2012, 02:23:11 PM »
Cons of popular vote:  ?

Marginalizes rural areas and states not named New York City, Chicago, Miami, LA, Philadelphia, Houston, etc..

Population density will dominate candidate's attentions.

That sounds like a better spread that we have now, with Ohio and FL accounting for just 10% of the US population.

  Not really. There are a decent amount of battleground states and there's no one strategy that's going to play well with all of them.

 

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