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Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2012, 12:51:24 AM »

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I dislike Jeff Green and hope Danny trade him ASAP.

I'm just sick of seeing a player with great talents failing to really make impact in big games again and again.  >:(

Uhh...the first game in an 82 game season is not exactly a 'big game', especially when it's against a team we play about 4 times (hence it's not like homecourt advantage depended on that game). 

Technically it's actually a relatively meaningless game in the grand scheme of things, it was just an exciting game for fans becuase it was against the defending champs, our biggest rivals, and our first game of the season.

Jeff will be fine.

As for contracts, I'm much more concerned about the ones Houston paid to Jeremy Lin and Omar Asik...

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2012, 01:25:25 AM »

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Hey I was yelling at Jeff Green on Tuesday night for how timid he was playing but to start this nonsense about 1 game in is too early. We have no idea how he'll perform after getting into the season. We just have to wait.

What we do know right now is that we need him to perform. We will need Green and Terry to step up way more than they did last game if we have any chance against the Heat. Pierce and Rondo had good games and Barbosa did what we expected JET to do but without another guy giving us an aggressive punch on the offensive end we're not going to out gun them or outrun them.

One other thing to look for is the Celtics defensive system falling into place in the coming months. We're a new team. 66% of our team this year is new from last years playoff squad. It will take a few weeks, maybe a couple months to get up to speed from a teamwork standpoint. It's possible we won't have a cohesive defense until the all-star break. Not to quote Dwight Howard but, patience is key.

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2012, 01:40:27 AM »

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Give the dude a break, i think he deserves a pass on his first game back from heart surgery, against the world champs, on the same floor where he last played 2 years ago. It's a pretty emotional situation.

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2012, 05:22:18 AM »

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I dislike Jeff Green and hope Danny trade him ASAP.

I'm just sick of seeing a player with great talents failing to really make impact in big games again and again.  >:(

Uhh...the first game in an 82 game season is not exactly a 'big game', especially when it's against a team we play about 4 times (hence it's not like homecourt advantage depended on that game). 

Technically it's actually a relatively meaningless game in the grand scheme of things, it was just an exciting game for fans becuase it was against the defending champs, our biggest rivals, and our first game of the season.

Jeff will be fine.

As for contracts, I'm much more concerned about the ones Houston paid to Jeremy Lin and Omar Asik...


Asik is a defensive game changer. Would much rather have him at his contract.

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2012, 05:33:23 AM »

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That derozen contract is awful awful awful (and Hollinger has been railing that one too), but a bad team signing a bad contract (same team that overpaid for fields) shouldn't really make us feel better about overpaying for Green.

Holiday had a disappointing year last year that was still better than either all of Green's years or all but one of green's years, and is very young for his draft class. He is also very valuable on defense and a good shooter, so he'll stick.

Taj Gibson is a great defensive PF and decent on offense, so I think his contract will be fine value.

Lawson's and Curry's were a bit steep for different reasons (will lawson maintain his high level projection/can curry actually stay healthy), but we'll see on those; both have far more potential than Green.

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2012, 10:37:07 AM »

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A much as I love Jeff Green and want to see him do well, there is a little voice in my head saying "He has only played well against other mostly deep  bench players and in garbage time". Deep Bench players and Garbage Time players do not earn his salary in the NBA.

Jeff needs to step up his game and give us what we are paying for or he will soon hear some boo's. He doesnt deserve that IMHO. Yet.
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Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2012, 10:44:34 AM »

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Give the dude a break, i think he deserves a pass on his first game back from heart surgery, against the world champs, on the same floor where he last played 2 years ago. It's a pretty emotional situation.

If he was capable of playing great in the preseason then really all you're doing is giving him excuses.....it was as predictable as anything for him to go from a very promising preseason to an absolute dud where he looked like he did on the same floor 2years ago..awful

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2012, 10:59:23 AM »

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I guess we (Danny) gave Jeff this contract based on his potential and on his play in practice. Hope he doesnt turn out to be a great practice player that has a hard time bringing it to the court in regular season.

I dont weight the preseason as heavily as the regular season and I dont count play against lower tier players the same as starters. I do enjoy the prediction and potential game with young players but it can only go so far.

I think a lot of folks here have possibly overvalued Jeff before he has performed. I have been somewhat guilty of this as well but I am getting suspicious.
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Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2012, 11:36:11 AM »

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The downside with Green on this team is he may have a hard time getting a lot of shots - not many to go around with Terry and Barbosa also coming off the bench and guys like Lee, Sully and Bass absorbing some shots.

There have allusions to this already (Rondo saying they need him to be the stopper, Green calling attention to his defensive aggression), but he's going to have to make his impact on D and the boards.

It's going to be hard for him to average the kind of offensive stats people want to see for $9 mil per. 
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Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2012, 12:07:05 PM »

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The downside with Green on this team is he may have a hard time getting a lot of shots - not many to go around with Terry and Barbosa also coming off the bench and guys like Lee, Sully and Bass absorbing some shots.

There have allusions to this already (Rondo saying they need him to be the stopper, Green calling attention to his defensive aggression), but he's going to have to make his impact on D and the boards.

It's going to be hard for him to average the kind of offensive stats people want to see for $9 mil per.
If he just loses that deer in headlights look in any pressure situation it would be a start.  The problem is that Green's main talent is scoring.  He's just not an above average defender, rebounder, or passer.

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2012, 12:28:31 PM »

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That derozen contract is awful awful awful (and Hollinger has been railing that one too), but a bad team signing a bad contract (same team that overpaid for fields) shouldn't really make us feel better about overpaying for Green.

Holiday had a disappointing year last year that was still better than either all of Green's years or all but one of green's years, and is very young for his draft class. He is also very valuable on defense and a good shooter, so he'll stick.

Taj Gibson is a great defensive PF and decent on offense, so I think his contract will be fine value.

Lawson's and Curry's were a bit steep for different reasons (will lawson maintain his high level projection/can curry actually stay healthy), but we'll see on those; both have far more potential than Green.
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Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2012, 12:30:26 PM »

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Who defended Green all night? I saw Battier on him for a while. I ask because Green does not yet seem to have the confidence and comfort to attack someone like Battier or Lebron on offense.

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2012, 12:35:37 PM »

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I hate comparing a contract to what others got to somehow justify that it is good.


It is based on whether or not the player plays at that level.

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2012, 12:42:22 PM »

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I hate comparing a contract to what others got to somehow justify that it is good.


It is based on whether or not the player plays at that level.

While I agree with this, I think with Green in particular, there were a lot of complaints, both on here, as well as by national sports writers that Danny was "bidding against himself", and paid more than "market value" for Green.  And I think these contracts suggest that perhaps market value is higher than many of those people suspected.

Re: new contracts vs. Jeff Green's contract
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2012, 12:51:35 PM »

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I hate comparing a contract to what others got to somehow justify that it is good.


It is based on whether or not the player plays at that level.
Agree and disagree. The market determines $ value. Whether they are worth it is determined at the end of the contract when you see what they contributed during the duration. Younger guys are expected to improve, to you pay to a degree for the potential. Sometimes, you hit the jackpot, like with Rondo's contract. Sometimes you end up with someone who doesn't substantially improve and the contract was a bust.