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Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2012, 01:29:26 PM »

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 Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..

 Jeff Green
 Sullinger
 Courtney Lee
 Avery Bradley
 Jason Terry
 Brandon Bass
 Barbosa
 Fab Melo
 
 That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.
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Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2012, 01:37:52 PM »

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 Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..

 Jeff Green
 Sullinger
 Courtney Lee
 Avery Bradley
 Jason Terry
 Brandon Bass
 Barbosa
 Fab Melo
 
 That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.

While I agree that keeping this much depth and talent is tempting (and believe me, I'm more excited about this C's team than any team since '08), in the current NBA depth doesn't win championships. Depth gets you good regular-season records.

Take a look at the Spurs. They dominated the regular season last year, but when it came to the playoffs, they didn't have the firepower to shut down the Thunder (and I bet they would have lost to the Heat too). I think the teams with the best shot at a title have a good amount of superstars with some talent behind them.

That said, we have one superstar (Rondo) and two mini-superstars (KG and Pierce, at the stages of their careers). I think that's why everyone wants someone like Josh Smith: another guy who has the potential to just go off against the opposing team.

Still, Doc's a genius. He could make this current team work.

Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2012, 02:36:45 PM »

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next year go after Lamarcus Aldrige or something like that...a big men 4 or 5
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Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2012, 02:38:07 PM »

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I'm sure we could get at the very least a one-eyed swordfish.
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Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2012, 02:46:13 PM »

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 Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..

 Jeff Green
 Sullinger
 Courtney Lee
 Avery Bradley
 Jason Terry
 Brandon Bass
 Barbosa
 Fab Melo
 
 That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.

While I agree that keeping this much depth and talent is tempting (and believe me, I'm more excited about this C's team than any team since '08), in the current NBA depth doesn't win championships. Depth gets you good regular-season records.

Take a look at the Spurs. They dominated the regular season last year, but when it came to the playoffs, they didn't have the firepower to shut down the Thunder (and I bet they would have lost to the Heat too). I think the teams with the best shot at a title have a good amount of superstars with some talent behind them.

That said, we have one superstar (Rondo) and two mini-superstars (KG and Pierce, at the stages of their careers). I think that's why everyone wants someone like Josh Smith: another guy who has the potential to just go off against the opposing team.

Still, Doc's a genius. He could make this current team work.

The difference between the Spurs and us is that they were fully healthy and just fell apart (Though I think game 6 had some very questionable calls against them). We gave the Heat one hell of a series and we had 60-75% of our team. The Spurs lost their mojo to a team that was quite frankly thrashed by the team we pushed to the brink.

The reason why we lost last year was because Lebron had a legendary performance in game 6, and in game 7, we just ran out of gas, and that was because our starters couldn't handle it anymore! Of course Bosh's return helped the Heat, but I think our lack of depth just wore down the vets too much.

BTW, even if we did beat the Heat, I was actually pretty sure we wouldn't have been able to handle OKC.

Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2012, 02:47:54 PM »

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I am kind of happy with the haul as it is.  Maybe something will jump in the boat, but I am in no hurry.  Let's see what we have.

Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2012, 04:33:08 PM »

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I'd love to take a shot at Paul Millsap. Utah is pretty stacked in the back court and might welcome a pick-and-pop PF like Bass.

I'd offer Bass, Melo, a 1st and 2nd round pick for Millsap. We get a post presence in Millsap and the Jazz get a great shooter, a young center to develop and a couple of picks. I'd probably go as far as to offer 2 1st rounders but I wouldn't like it :)

Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2012, 04:40:22 PM »

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 Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..

 Jeff Green
 Sullinger
 Courtney Lee
 Avery Bradley
 Jason Terry
 Brandon Bass
 Barbosa
 Fab Melo
 
 That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?

Lee is out as bait for reasons that it would look bad to young players if you take less money you'll get traded 6 months later.

Same with Terry and being a vet.

Green is out for he's playing right now better than Bass, and is the only true back up SF for PP.

Sully is ify
Melo could be traded
Bass could be to, and he's playing like he knows it(just saying)
AB could be to, hate to loose the deffense, it would depend on what you got back.

Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2012, 04:50:31 PM »

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I'd love to take a shot at Paul Millsap. Utah is pretty stacked in the back court and might welcome a pick-and-pop PF like Bass.

I'd offer Bass, Melo, a 1st and 2nd round pick for Millsap. We get a post presence in Millsap and the Jazz get a great shooter, a young center to develop and a couple of picks. I'd probably go as far as to offer 2 1st rounders but I wouldn't like it :)

In the past, I had expected them to move Al Jefferson but now I am thinking Millsap is the better choice to move along. Go with the post-orientated type offense. Instead of keeping Millsap and playing a smaller front-line with more quickness.

Now, I am starting to think that it makes more sense for Utah to trade Millsap and keep Al Jefferson to play with Kanter and Favors.

Go with a power based lineup with Kanter (C) and Big Al (PF) providing low post threats on either block. That would be very difficult to defend against. Favors providing more quickness and defensive ability as a glue guy in the immediate sense but should also provide that low post threat in time. A three player big man rotation.

A fourth big in the depth chart like Ryan Hollins (quickness and length) and/or a Joel Przybilla (power and length) to provide situational minutes at center. That other guy, Evans is it? Blanking on his name. To provide SF/PF defensive option. And a shooting PF.

Oh, Marvin Williams too, power based three with a good post game. Big two guard in Gordon Hayward. They have the starting wings for that type of a game plan also. Need a better PG / floor general. Mo Williams would make a nice backup guard for that type of team.

Yes, I too, believe there's a chance Millsap will become available this season and maybe even at a really good price. Good player, Millsap.

Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2012, 05:55:20 PM »

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I am kind of happy with the haul as it is.  Maybe something will jump in the boat, but I am in no hurry.  Let's see what we have.

I still think the big man rotation is too weak to be satisfied with the current roster. We have one bonafide, championship-starter caliber big in KG and he's minutes limited.  Everyone else is back-up quality (Bass, Wilcox, Green as a stretch 4) or a wild card (Sully, Darko).  We also have a confluence of mediocre rebounders (compounded by weak-rebounding guards other than Rondo).

If I'm Ainge, I'm actively looking for ways to turn our surplus of quality 6th-8th men (guards and bigs) into a bona fide 4th or 5th man at one of the big positions.

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Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2012, 12:38:01 AM »

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Absolutely agree the Celtics are not good enough in the front court sans KG.  Bass and Sully are good, and Sully has an unknown ceiling, they just aren't good enough to be the 2nd/3rd best bigs. 

We must upgrade in this area.  There will be opportunities.  Hopefully something pans out.

Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2012, 02:20:25 AM »

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 Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..

 Jeff Green
 Sullinger
 Courtney Lee
 Avery Bradley
 Jason Terry
 Brandon Bass
 Barbosa
 Fab Melo
 
 That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.
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Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2012, 02:22:18 AM »

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 Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..

 Jeff Green
 Sullinger
 Courtney Lee
 Avery Bradley
 Jason Terry
 Brandon Bass
 Barbosa
 Fab Melo
 
 That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.

While I agree that keeping this much depth and talent is tempting (and believe me, I'm more excited about this C's team than any team since '08), in the current NBA depth doesn't win championships. Depth gets you good regular-season records.

Take a look at the Spurs. They dominated the regular season last year, but when it came to the playoffs, they didn't have the firepower to shut down the Thunder (and I bet they would have lost to the Heat too). I think the teams with the best shot at a title have a good amount of superstars with some talent behind them.

That said, we have one superstar (Rondo) and two mini-superstars (KG and Pierce, at the stages of their careers). I think that's why everyone wants someone like Josh Smith: another guy who has the potential to just go off against the opposing team.

Still, Doc's a genius. He could make this current team work.
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Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2012, 02:26:59 AM »

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I have a super idea- Why dont we keep our own players and win with them? I think ill go with that.

Re: With all these fresh bait, what fish can we land.
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2012, 09:13:32 AM »

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Absolutely agree the Celtics are not good enough in the front court sans KG.  Bass and Sully are good, and Sully has an unknown ceiling, they just aren't good enough to be the 2nd/3rd best bigs. 

We must upgrade in this area.  There will be opportunities.  Hopefully something pans out.

At this point in his career, the only way i make a huge multi person trade is to get a bonafide big thats better than kg in return. The pickings there would be extremely slim so I say lets stick with what we got first.