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Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2012, 07:17:34 AM »

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the celtics are blessed to have so many players that are signed to bargain deals.

Sully is a way better value than smith, and will be even more so over the next few years on this rookie contract.

I also like keeping rondo on a short leash. Having smith on the team would give rondo more power. Imagine rondo and smith together protesting some team decision with lackluster play.

It was only 2 years ago that rondo tanked in protest of perk being traded. Having a high paid, talented lackey around would bring out the worst in rondo when things dont go rondos way.
you feel rondo tanked  ???
the guy who plays without speaking about any minor injury even when young, the guy who dives for a loose ball through someone's legs, the guy who played with a dislocated arm

Chris Paul would have played with both hips dislocated.

Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2012, 08:51:22 AM »

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I'm a fan of Smith and I think he would be a good fit and upgrade.

Not sure , I do it getting rid of certain players would be correct move at this point.

I wouldn't want to make the team thin on the bench like the Heat/LA , or give up to much of the future lineup . like AB and Sully.  Green is Pierces backup. Trade off all our bench , then we have the situation Like LA, of older guys having to play too many minutes and risk of injury.

probally best to wait and see how the Celtics play with Wilcox and AB back in the lineup

rather hold our cards and see what we got.



Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2012, 09:00:14 AM »

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Currently, my keepers are Rondo, Bradley, Green, Melo, KG, and Pierce.  If some combination of the other guys on the roster could get us Josh Smith, I'd at least be willing to listen.

I agree, except I would leave Melo out of that list if it would help to get Smith.

I know Smith has a bad shot selection, but I don't see why he can't improve his shot selection.
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Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2012, 09:03:32 AM »

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Currently, my keepers are Rondo, Bradley, Green, Melo, KG, and Pierce.  If some combination of the other guys on the roster could get us Josh Smith, I'd at least be willing to listen.

I agree, except I would leave Melo out of that list if it would help to get Smith.

I know Smith has a bad shot selection, but I don't see why he can't improve his shot selection.
Green or Bradley would have to be involved IMO, no way the Hawks are giving Smith away for Bass and Junk. The guy is approaching being a 20/10 PF with legit size and athleticism .

Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2012, 09:18:02 AM »

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Currently, my keepers are Rondo, Bradley, Green, Melo, KG, and Pierce.  If some combination of the other guys on the roster could get us Josh Smith, I'd at least be willing to listen.

I agree, except I would leave Melo out of that list if it would help to get Smith.

I know Smith has a bad shot selection, but I don't see why he can't improve his shot selection.
Green or Bradley would have to be involved IMO, no way the Hawks are giving Smith away for Bass and Junk. The guy is approaching being a 20/10 PF with legit size and athleticism .

I would be willing to give up Bradley. He is a small SG with injury problems, I'm worried about him being able to make it through a full season. IMO we have to think about possibly moving him when his stock is high.

Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2012, 09:20:03 AM »

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He is an improvement offensively and defensively.


My issue has never been with the talent.  It has been with the offensive game he falls in love with and (the big issue) the amount of money he is and will likely get in the future. 

Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2012, 09:22:00 AM »

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Can anybody here name a defense that has ever existed better than Rondo/Bradley/Pierce/Smith/KG?

Can anybody here name a defense period that has featured 5 elite defenders in the starting lineup?

Better than 08, better than 04.  I'd like to see that team vs. Russell.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2012, 09:36:49 AM »

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How about Bass, Wilcox, Melo, Kris Joseph, Christmas, and two draft picks for Smith.  Besides Bass and Wilcox, those other ones are scrubs that won't be on the floor much anyways.  And we can afford to do without Bass and Wilcox. 

To people who are saying they don't understand the love affair, do you know how scary we'll be with a starting line-up of Rondo, Pierce, KG, Smith, and Bradley?  With that line up, #18 is guaranteed
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Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2012, 09:45:40 AM »

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How about Bass, Wilcox, Melo, Kris Joseph, and two draft picks for Smith.  Besides Bass and Wilcox, those other ones are scrubs that won't be on the floor much anyways.  And we can afford to do without Bass and Wilcox. 

To people who are saying they don't understand the love affair, do you know how scary we'll be with a starting line-up of Rondo, Pierce, KG, Smith, and Bradley?  With that line up, #18 is guaranteed


Why does Atlanta make this trade?

Bass is a good role player and Wilcox was serviceable as a backup.  How does that equal near all-star level on the last year of a contract? 

Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2012, 10:07:55 AM »

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Currently, my keepers are Rondo, Bradley, Green, Melo, KG, and Pierce.  If some combination of the other guys on the roster could get us Josh Smith, I'd at least be willing to listen.

I agree, except I would leave Melo out of that list if it would help to get Smith.

I know Smith has a bad shot selection, but I don't see why he can't improve his shot selection.

Because he's been in the league 8 years and it's no better now than when he started?

I can understand the appeal of Smith.  He's a great talent and young enough to pair with Rondo for another 5+ years, but I think folks are underestimating the trouble that comes with a guy who's going to turn 27 and still plays stupid on the court.

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Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2012, 10:29:56 AM »

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Josh Smith is a beast, but I'd rather let this current team play the year out, and see what happens.

I wouldn't trade Green while his stock is at its lowest. Sully and Melo are keepers, and Bradley also. Courtney Lee and Bass would be the pieces during the season. In the offseason, we'll see.

I like this team and I think Green/Bass/Sully combined are more valuable than having Josh Smith. Atlanta would ask for at least the three of them, plus draft picks. Would you give so many assets for Josh Smith? Me neither.

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2012, 11:30:32 AM »

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My issue has never been with the talent.  It has been with the offensive game he falls in love with and (the big issue) the amount of money he is and will likely get in the future.

My guess is that if we ever do trade for Smith, it will be one of 2 scenarios:  our team is a legit championship contender and we will take him for a 3 month rental, or our team (for whatever reason) is not able to compete at the level we think they can, we trade KG and Pierce, and rebuild with Smith and Rondo.

I don't put a high probability on the latter scenario but it could happen

Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2012, 11:31:35 AM »

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How about Bass, Wilcox, Melo, Kris Joseph, and two draft picks for Smith.  Besides Bass and Wilcox, those other ones are scrubs that won't be on the floor much anyways.  And we can afford to do without Bass and Wilcox. 

To people who are saying they don't understand the love affair, do you know how scary we'll be with a starting line-up of Rondo, Pierce, KG, Smith, and Bradley?  With that line up, #18 is guaranteed


Why does Atlanta make this trade?

Bass is a good role player and Wilcox was serviceable as a backup.  How does that equal near all-star level on the last year of a contract?
well they would get Melo and 2 other picks, which makes it not a terrible trade.

I think it needs to be Sullinger and Bradley.

Something like this Atlanta and Boston both might do

Bass, Wilcox, Sullinger, Bradley, and a 2nd (maybe a 1st)

for

Smith
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Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2012, 11:43:22 AM »

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Josh Smith is 6-8 to 6-9 and weighs 225 to 230lbs.

He is an undersized power forward (undersized quick four).

Re: Josh Smith would not significantly upgrade our team..
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2012, 12:02:18 PM »

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I just don't see a deal for Josh Smith that's worth doing.

I really like the current roster.  We have enough and then some at every position.  Not worth screwing with a great thing.