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Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2012, 05:51:37 PM »

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When Avery comes back we'll be a nasty starting 5.
Lee is going to take a while but he'll find his niche coming off picks and running all game.

I'm still convinced that the load up of Lee, Terry and Bradley means that we are making a serious move come trade deadline- and that trade probably includes Bass+ Avery+Melo.
It just doesn't make sense to me that we've loaded up on two largish contracts with Terry + Lee with Avery due for re-upping soon.

I feel our bench is going to be monstrous. Sully, Green and Terry, with Wilcox coming back in and Melo bringing energy and a great attitude- wow we're deep, with running legs and SCORING, something we've died without for 3 years now.

Only thing I'm worried about Lee getting continuity quickly with the starters-but his defense is pretty good.


side note...
Did anyone see KG get up off the bench in elation when Fab Melo had that monster block? He's obviously becoming emotionally invested in Melo which means Melo must be doing something right- which is pleasing.
Melo's rotations were decent and his lateral footwork and timing is excellent. He'd be a very good boxer and I've always felt that a rookie big man with good footwork and a good attitude is hard to find in the NBA.
If we had signed Ray back and not lee it would have been the same situation. I guarantee you Danny would not sign two vets in JET and Ray to trade one of them away. Its the same situation with Courtney lee. Thats just what Doc wants on his team.

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2012, 05:56:47 PM »

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also ray was going to have a no-trade clause

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2012, 06:04:38 PM »

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scal kept comparing jeff green to james worthy, and noted that green was displaying shot creation skills that scal didnt know green had.

I really think green and sully will end up being starters against certain lineups.

Doc said sullinger defended the center position very well as the game went on. Sullinger was one of the first subs in in the 2nd half, after making the most of his first half minutes.

Dont be shocked if sullinger is starting by start of regular season.

If Pierce gets hurt for any stretch of time, he might find himself behind green for total game minutes.

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2012, 06:10:12 PM »

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Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2012, 06:30:00 PM »

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When Avery comes back we'll be a nasty starting 5.
Lee is going to take a while but he'll find his niche coming off picks and running all game.

I'm still convinced that the load up of Lee, Terry and Bradley means that we are making a serious move come trade deadline- and that trade probably includes Bass+ Avery+Melo.
It just doesn't make sense to me that we've loaded up on two largish contracts with Terry + Lee with Avery due for re-upping soon.

I feel our bench is going to be monstrous. Sully, Green and Terry, with Wilcox coming back in and Melo bringing energy and a great attitude- wow we're deep, with running legs and SCORING, something we've died without for 3 years now.

Only thing I'm worried about Lee getting continuity quickly with the starters-but his defense is pretty good.


side note...
Did anyone see KG get up off the bench in elation when Fab Melo had that monster block? He's obviously becoming emotionally invested in Melo which means Melo must be doing something right- which is pleasing.
Melo's rotations were decent and his lateral footwork and timing is excellent. He'd be a very good boxer and I've always felt that a rookie big man with good footwork and a good attitude is hard to find in the NBA.
The thoughts that crossed my mind after the game were:

l.  Don't have to worry about RR, KG, PP getting in shape.

2.  People were right about Sullinger, he looks NBA ready.

3.  Was relieved by JG's play...doubts erased.

4.  I still love Fab Melo and think he will be contributing bye the end of the year.  I agree with your assessment of his footwork...it is terrific for a big man and he seems to have the stamina and speed to make it up and down the court.  He plays way longer than his 7 ft....when he raised his arms in defense under the opponent's basket...there is no way most players could shoot over that!

Except for the turnovers, I thought the team looked pretty good, after what?  two real practices as a unit and a long flight and time change?  Doc will get them all on the same page, and because of the loss, he has the amunition to get them to pay close attention (not that he would have a problem with that anyway).

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Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2012, 06:41:24 PM »

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Loved what I saw from Green today. He's gonna really help off the bench.

Melo stuck out like a sore thumb. Way too raw, definite D-Leaguer this season.

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2012, 06:56:29 PM »

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Man that sucks to hear we lost  :'(

I could not finds the game to hear or watch it, so I mowed my yard. ;)


Its been a LONG time since the C's have had a real rebounder,  FAT BABY don't count,  somebody to battle inside low like Shaq could  .   I figured Suls was gonna standout , its been so long since we had a REAL rebounder I almost forget now nice it would be to actually see Green shirts bsides ROndo and Bradley under the boards .

GLade to hear Green was good .... a hope Wilcox was able to play.

Sully an't riding the bench ...we are gonna need him , when KG gets doubled , feed the ball to Sully under the bucket.


Doc wants EASY buckets this year , that is the name of Sully game , easy buckets and foulshots... thats why he is gonna play .
 

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2012, 07:10:21 PM »

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scal kept comparing jeff green to james worthy, and noted that green was displaying shot creation skills that scal didnt know green had.


Haven't watched the game yet but I love the comparison. Worthy had an unconventional game and might have struggled if he hadn't played with Magic. The parallels are obvious. He could get 8 ppg just running the floor when Rondo's out there.

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2012, 07:32:50 PM »

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Been my position that Ray (if healthy)> JET > Lee> Pietrus.  I just don't see Lee as a starting SG. I've assumed that the AB we get back will be better than Lee defensively and about the same offensively (11-12 PER). JET is a bit of a defensive liability, but he's a scorer and I think he'll be on the floor at the end of games so teams don't focus strictly on PP now that RA is gone.  If instead AB returns and is the player he showed in the second half, we're going to take MIA whose bench still sucks.

Very impressed with Sullinger and it was good to see him outside the helter skelter summer league.  Donny and Tommy were comparing him favorably to Leon Powe on the boards and I've been thinking he's an upgrade on BBD without the baggage otherwise.  Defintely looks like he'll be a contributor in the rotation immediately.  Bass played well in the playoffs and knows the defense so I think he'll get the nod, but I could see Sullinger surpass him sometime in the future.

Green also looked good although it was late in the game.  He's in very good shape.  I thought Darko played well and within his role.  Wilcox better get back soon or Darko will be the backup center.  None of the other new guys stood out to me,Otherwise our 25 turnovers will lose a lot of games and the defense on the pick-n-roll was horrendous. Both are fixable and KG who's the best pick-n-roll defender since Russell played 15 minutes. Lee was not impressive, but he got into foul trouble.  I think backup PG duties could be an issue also.  Terry may make more plays than Ray, but also makes more turnovers and neither Lee or AB have PG distribution skills other than bringing the ball up the floor in a pinch.

Bottom line is that that we'll lose some offense, but gain some defense with AB vs Ray and at the end of ga,mes, we'll be a little worse off assuming JET's on the floor.  Otherwise our bench is going to be very good compared to MIA, LAL, or OKC.  If Allen is 4th in minutes played in MIA as I expect, does a MIA bench of Chalmers, Haslem, Miller, Lewis and Anthony scare you? Finals Game 2 we lost solely because their bench outscored our 7 points and in game 7 we got 2 points off our bench.  We're not going to have games this season with the bench in single digits and my expectation is that if the first unit leaves the second unit with a lead, it will be bigger when they come back.  Best 2nd unit by far since KG and Ray came here.

Finally, the opponent was playing their 4th game in 4 days so kudos to them to play so well.  They looked very good to me and as good as advertised. Fundamentally very sound + a good number of guys who could be in the NBA or are proven international players.  Their fans are in for a good year.

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2012, 07:53:26 PM »

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Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2012, 07:58:26 PM »

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I think Lee's problem could have been that he was trying to hard. This guy is suppose to be taking over for Allen, and competing for AB's spot. Could have affected his game a bit being the first time out. Lets see what he does the rest of preseason before he gets written off.

If Green plays like he did today for 85% of the regular season and 99% of the play offs, the trade that every one has been killing DA for will pay off. If he plays aggressive like he did, I could see him in the starting SF spot once PP is done. I could also see him being the second units PG. Remember Pippen took the ball up for  the bulls most of the time in their first run and then it was Harper in the second run. In the first run Paxon and Armstrong ended up spotting up in corners in the beginning of the offense. That would be Terry's role.

Milicic looked good. I think he will help a lot if he just goes out and takes what is given to him and plays hard. The tip pass when he was on his butt was great!LOL! but his blocks were nice to see.

Sully, well wow, he played really well for being his first game. I'd almost like to see him start once he learns the deff rotations. Bass just looked off.(maybe he's hear early rumors of him being traded for Smith)LOL!! But Sully's rebounding and put backs were great, and handled passes with ease.

Melo was what you'd expect. No horrible, but not great. But man that block was SWEET!! And the way he moves is impressive. Makes a hard choice to trade him for his potential, or hold on and hope be becomes a solid center in a couple years.

there were more goods than bads. Can't wait for Sunday!

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2012, 08:00:48 PM »

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Haven't heard anything about Bass ,  he needs to play harder IMO this year evry game,, or be traded to the Hawks

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2012, 08:12:06 PM »

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So much goodness was apparent today!

First, Rondo looked 'poised'.  He just plain moved and acted like a leader.  4/4 from the free throw line in addition to draining a nasty 3, all before the first half ended.  He's shooting phenomenally, and hopefully this'll continue!

Sullinger was nasty.  He is an offensive rebounding machine.  He had several offensive putbacks, and he always seems to be in the right place.  He caught most of the passes aimed his way, and he seems to have fantastic hands.  I still can't believe the Celtics landed him.  He's seemed to get the defense down as the game went on too.  He'll be great paired with KG, and as others have said, I won't be surprised if he starts...soon even.

Green!!  Took over offensively in the 4th quarter like we all wanted him to.  I never knew he had such an effective right side drive-hook to the hoop.  Just awesome.  He's really going to give trouble to most 3's, as he has both height and speed.  He'll be a sure go to guy for the bench.  With the starters, he just needs to assert himself a bit more...which I'm sure will happen slowly.

Terry looked great.  Drained a few threes, initiated the offense well, seems like he's guaranteed to provide teens-level scoring every game.

Lee was off.  No worries there.  He showed flashes of excellent defensive pressure, but the whistles just weren't going his way.  Shot was off as well.  However, he is someone I am not at all worried about.  I watched Houston a lot...Lee will certainly deliver once he gels.  As someone else remarked earlier (I think), he's playing the Ray Allen role, and that is one that takes time to adjust to.

Melo had two or three phenomenal blocks there (one being a goaltend!).  He's going to be a great defensive specialist in the future, but for now he's obviously going to be spending the season in Maine.  "Rough on offense" is an understatement. 

Finally, I liked what Darko brought.  He's slow, so he'll need to be paired with another quick big man, but he's got skilled size, and he's moving real well.

Everyone else looked solid.  Captain and KG looked fresh and happy!  Looks great so far!

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2012, 08:40:57 PM »

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Wow, this team is going to be special...

My feedback is much like what others have stated:

1. KG and Pierce look like they are in fantastic shape - both look fit as a fiddle.

Rondo looks like he's continuing to improve every season.  Today the standounds were his aggressiveness (attacking the rim) and his shooting. 

He looks more comfortable and more fluent shooting the ball then he ever has, and 6 for 6 from the foul line is very promising. Flashbacks from his 40 point outburst against Miami not in terms of the number of shots, but just in terms of how comfortable he looked taking them.

Sullinger
Soes not look like a rookie at all.  he way he moves, the way he gets into positions on the court, the way he communicates verbally - he looks like a guy who's been in the league for years. 

His ability to get into position for rebounds is unlike anyone we've had in (IMHO) the entire big 3 era, and he makes it look easy because he does it with great positioning rather then aggressiveness / athleticism. It always looks like he's a magnet, and the rebounds just come straight to him.

His touch inside is similarly impressive.  As predicted by others he has seemed to get put off his aim a little when he's had a bigger guy on him, but when he is around the basket with even the slightest big of daylight he is money - not a single shot bouncing off the rim or rolling out.

Also great hands - a few times Rondo threw Sully some tough passes that had me cringing (expecting him not to catch them) but he just grabbed them and put them in.

Love his attitude too.  He looks very intelligent and patient on the court, not too eager to prove himself...he just lets the game come to him.

Downside is that admittedly, Sully does look pretty slow for an undersized big man.  I don't think he's really any quicker or more agile point-to-point than Big Baby was, and he definately isn't as good at getting to his spots.  In every other aspect of the game though he kills Big Baby - more talented offensively, a better rounder and a more mature mentality.

Melo
Seeing Melo play put a huge smile on my face.  Yes, his offensive game needs refining (he seemed to struggle to catch passes at times and his shots around the rim were way off) but on defense he was fantastic. 

Not only did he have the two emphatic blocks (one of which was a goaltend) but as another mentioned he is LONG.  When he simply put his arms straight up on one of those possessions, I can't think of a single NBA player who could have shot over that reach. He's a big guy, and while he's listed at 7'0", out there he looked more like 7'2".

Just as important, his athleticism is off the charts for a 7 footer.  His leap, agility and lateral movement are unlike anything I've ever seen from a 260 pound 7 footer - on defense at times he looked almost as quick as Jeff Green. 

More importantly Melo plays with a ton of energy.  He's never standing still, always active...always moving his feet. 

I'm going to make my bold prediction right now - with his energy level and physical gifts, if this kid gains confidence and learns some fundamentals he will be an ELITE center in this league.

Jason Terry
Terry was lights out from three, but that's something I pretty much expected.

The thing that surprised me about Terry is that he is a much better point guard than I expected.  I was really expecting more of an Eddie House / Keyon Dooling type player, but Terry looks really comfortable out there handling the ball and making plays.  He really does look just as confident as a PG as he does as a SG, and I wasn't expecting that.  I'd have no hessitation letting Terry man the point if Rondo is out of the game.

Jeff Green
In the first half I was a little dissapointed with Jeff.  I thought he had one of two nice scores, but on defense I thought he seemed to always be a step behind his assignment, and offensively I think he was a bit tentative. 

Second half all that changed.  He came out and actually reminded me a lot of Lebron in the way he made plays and attacked the basket...only unlike Lebron he looked very smooth and never looked like he was forcing things.  No I'm not saying he's as good as Lebron, but I just say flashes in LBJ's game in green.

The first thing I really like about Green's game was his playmaking.  He seemed incredibly comfortable handling the ball, being patient, and making the right pass at the right time.

Second thing I liked was his ability to take it to (and finish around) the rim.  Every one of his drives to the basket was tightly contested, and he scored on every one of them seemingly effortlessly.  They were some TOUGH shots on odd angles, but every one of the dropped softly in.  If Jeff plays like this all the time he may well overtake Terry as our best player off the bench.   

Darko
Darko left me with mixed feelings.  First thing I noticed is that he is bigger then I remember - in both directions!  He's really tall, but he's also built like an ox.  There is no one in this league who will muscle him around.

Next thing I noticed is that he's quite aggressive going afer blocks.

First downside is that he doesn't IMO look very mobile.  In fact Jermaine Oneal almost seems quick (laterall) compared to this guy.

Second downside is that his activity level to me seemed like a mixed bag.  He did seem to stand around a lot at times and not really move much, and (though he did have 6 rebounds) he didn't seem to go aggressively after rebounds.  A few times opposing teams seemed to get easy rebounds that Darko seemed to just ignore.

As another person stated earlier, I think Darko really MUST be on the floor with an athletic big.  With his lack of agility he seems to look a bit lost when he's anywhere more than 5 feet from the basket - hopefully this is more a mental thing, and will impove as he gets more familliar with the Celtics defensive schemes. 

When he's close to the basket, I actually like him.  He's big and strong, he takes up space, he throws his weight around well, he seems to have a nice touch around the basket, he's a good passer, and he showed a few signs nice hustle play (getting down on the floor).

Overall still undecided about Darko, but I think with more time around the team and if used the right way, he can be very effective for us in a very "Perkins" kinda way. 

Courtney Lee
Mixed bag about Lee on both ends of the floor.  His defense seemed solid at times, while other times his assignment seemed to get past him like he was standing still.

On offense he struggled with his shot, but that doesn't really concern me - we all know he can shoot, so he probably just had a bad shooting night.

I really liked his agility and athleticism.  His showed an ablity to cover a lot of ground quickly on transition (particularly on D) and he was surpisingly explosive with his first step driving to the basket...but on both occasions he didn't seem to do much once he actually got there.

He has the physical gifts, so I think he might just need more time to become accustomed to the Boston sets on both offense and defense. At this stage my biggest criticism is that he seems maybe too relaxed, and seems to lack that killer instinct / aggressiveness that Bradley has on both ends of the floor.  This might prove beneficial as we can thrown different looks out there, but right now Bradley is definately my starter (with Lee looking perfect for a 'shooter off the bench' role).

Bass
Bass really did nothing other then prove what I've been saying all along - he's really a bench/role player who was forced into a starting role by circumstance.

He's still got a nice jump shot, and he still can be explosive on the rare occasions when he does put the ball on the floor and drive hard to the basket.

Aside fom that his size still makes him a liability on defense, he still doesn't like passing (took a few shots with multiple defenders on him that he just happened to make) and he still doesn't rebound with much aggressiveness.

Bass is definately better defensively than Sullinger (who struggles to move laterally) but in every other aspect of the game Sullinger looks smoother, more ploshed and just plain better. 

Other rookies
Outside of Sully and Melo, none of the other rookies really impressed me. 

Smith to me is a shot jacker - when he has the ball he seems to think "shoot" and not much else.  Seems hessitant to give the ball up to other players unless he has no other choice - not a fan of thoset type of players in the Boston system.

Joseph really didn't do anything while he was out there, so I'll save judgement until I see more of him.

Christmas didn't show much other than on one play where he showed an explosive first step, but then ended up turning the ball over - still he seems quite athletic for his size, and that's a nice gift to have. 

If I had to choose one of those three for a roster spot right now it'd probably be Christmas, but to be honest I'd probably send them all to the D-leager, as neither really looks NBA ready to me so far.  I'll save final judgement until I see more of Christmas and Joseph, but Smith I really don't like.

 

Re: what i saw in today's game
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2012, 08:50:34 PM »

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Been my position that Ray (if healthy)> JET > Lee> Pietrus.

I agree with the rest, but not with this part.

I don't really see Ray being a better player than Jet right now...Terry is a better ball handling, better at creating his own shots and a better playmaker.  He can play multiple positions, while Ray can only play one (he's really useless at either PG or SF).  He's also a better clutch scorer.

The only advantage I think Ray has over Terry is size, which alone would give him the advantage when defender bigger guards (such as Kobe) but then that's why we have Lee.