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« on: September 01, 2012, 11:46:32 AM »

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Why did we trade him away again?

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2012, 10:42:04 AM »

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So that they could scapegoat Bobby V and fire him.
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Re: Reddick
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 10:51:06 AM »

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So that they could scapegoat Bobby V and fire him.

The front office sucked, but that doesn't excuse the atrocity that was Bobby Valentine's management.  He alienated his players and coaches, as well as the media and fanbase.  It was perhaps the worst managerial experience in Red Sox history.


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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 10:53:03 AM »

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Reddick is a very streaky hitter (he's on my fantasy team, so I experienced his ups and downs.)  If he stayed on the Red Sox, he'd have probably been banished to Pawtucket in the middle of every slump.  Good thing for him he got sent away.

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So that they could scapegoat Bobby V and fire him.

The front office sucked, but that doesn't excuse the atrocity that was Bobby Valentine's management.  He alienated his players and coaches, as well as the media and fanbase.  It was perhaps the worst managerial experience in Red Sox history.

The only other one that comes to mind is Joe Kerrigan and that wasn't a full season. 



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Re: Reddick
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 11:03:34 AM »

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I was fully on board with trading a guy who seemed like a career 4th outfielder, and was behind Kalish as far as future outfielders, for a proven closer who was still under the teams control for a few years.

I was wrong. 

Even if Reddick falls back to earth (which I still expect), he has shown more than I ever expected him to, and they should have valued him more than they did.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 11:43:20 AM »

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I was fully on board with trading a guy who seemed like a career 4th outfielder, and was behind Kalish as far as future outfielders, for a proven closer who was still under the teams control for a few years.

I was wrong. 

Even if Reddick falls back to earth (which I still expect), he has shown more than I ever expected him to, and they should have valued him more than they did.

I think he still may be a 4th outfielder.  Yes he hit 32 HRs, very legit, but he also only hit 240 and had an OBP of 300.  If he can get the BA back up to 270 next year even at the expense of a few home runs, he'd be much more valuable. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2012, 12:07:33 PM »

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I was fully on board with trading a guy who seemed like a career 4th outfielder, and was behind Kalish as far as future outfielders, for a proven closer who was still under the teams control for a few years.

I was wrong. 

Even if Reddick falls back to earth (which I still expect), he has shown more than I ever expected him to, and they should have valued him more than they did.

I think he still may be a 4th outfielder.  Yes he hit 32 HRs, very legit, but he also only hit 240 and had an OBP of 300.  If he can get the BA back up to 270 next year even at the expense of a few home runs, he'd be much more valuable.
Right, we can Ryan Kalish instead, who will also hit .240, and not bang home 32 dingers.

Let's just admit that management misevaluated talent once again (see Aceves and Bard for other examples), and move on.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2012, 12:17:53 PM »

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I was fully on board with trading a guy who seemed like a career 4th outfielder, and was behind Kalish as far as future outfielders, for a proven closer who was still under the teams control for a few years.

I was wrong. 

Even if Reddick falls back to earth (which I still expect), he has shown more than I ever expected him to, and they should have valued him more than they did.

I think he still may be a 4th outfielder.  Yes he hit 32 HRs, very legit, but he also only hit 240 and had an OBP of 300.  If he can get the BA back up to 270 next year even at the expense of a few home runs, he'd be much more valuable.

He also might win a gold glove this year.  That plus 32 homers makes him an important player on a team that won its division, and not a 4th outfielder.

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2012, 12:51:15 PM »

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This is the 3rd Reddick that came to mind (didn't realize the tennis player is actually Andy Roddick) on who this thread could be about when I saw it.  And yes I know JJ spells his with only 1 d.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 01:04:04 PM »

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32 home runs is pretty good, I never would have expected that much power, but Salti hit 25 hrs in only 70% or whatever of the games.  Over the long run, I am not sure Reddick is any better than Cody Ross.  Bailey was a total disappointment so it is hard to call this anything but a bad trade but I am not all that worked up about losing Josh Reddick.

We were also left hand hitting heavy so giving up Reddick and getting Ross help in that regard as well.

If Reddick goes on the average 30 hr a year for the next 5 years, then yeah, you can say "why on earth did the Sox let this guy go" but I am not there right now.

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 01:11:25 PM »

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32 home runs is pretty good, I never would have expected that much power, but Salti hit 25 hrs in only 70% or whatever of the games.  Over the long run, I am not sure Reddick is any better than Cody Ross.  Bailey was a total disappointment so it is hard to call this anything but a bad trade but I am not all that worked up about losing Josh Reddick.

We were also left hand hitting heavy so giving up Reddick and getting Ross help in that regard as well.

If Reddick goes on the average 30 hr a year for the next 5 years, then yeah, you can say "why on earth did the Sox let this guy go" but I am not there right now.
Sure, but the team would look much better now if we could move Ross to left, have Reddick in right, and Bard closing. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2012, 01:16:12 PM »

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32 home runs is pretty good, I never would have expected that much power, but Salti hit 25 hrs in only 70% or whatever of the games.  Over the long run, I am not sure Reddick is any better than Cody Ross.  Bailey was a total disappointment so it is hard to call this anything but a bad trade but I am not all that worked up about losing Josh Reddick.

We were also left hand hitting heavy so giving up Reddick and getting Ross help in that regard as well.

If Reddick goes on the average 30 hr a year for the next 5 years, then yeah, you can say "why on earth did the Sox let this guy go" but I am not there right now.
Sure, but the team would look much better now if we could move Ross to left, have Reddick in right, and Bard closing. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

In what way does hindsight make you want to have Bard closing?  I get that he is not a good starter...but this season just proved to me that they were right to not trust him as a closer.  He is just not mentally strong enough.

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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2012, 01:17:59 PM »

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So that they could scapegoat Bobby V and fire him.

The front office sucked, but that doesn't excuse the atrocity that was Bobby Valentine's management.  He alienated his players and coaches, as well as the media and fanbase.  It was perhaps the worst managerial experience in Red Sox history.
Is that the same group of players that stopped listening to Terry Francona and essentially got him fired?  The coaches that undermined Bobby V all season long and constantly went behind his back.

Look it was a bad season, but as an outsider and not a fan of the Red Sox, Bobby V was the least of that team's troubles.  The players stopped playing and gave up, the upper management made bad move after bad move, and it was an ill conceived coaching staff from the start. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2012, 01:19:21 PM »

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32 home runs is pretty good, I never would have expected that much power, but Salti hit 25 hrs in only 70% or whatever of the games.  Over the long run, I am not sure Reddick is any better than Cody Ross.  Bailey was a total disappointment so it is hard to call this anything but a bad trade but I am not all that worked up about losing Josh Reddick.

We were also left hand hitting heavy so giving up Reddick and getting Ross help in that regard as well.

If Reddick goes on the average 30 hr a year for the next 5 years, then yeah, you can say "why on earth did the Sox let this guy go" but I am not there right now.
Sure, but the team would look much better now if we could move Ross to left, have Reddick in right, and Bard closing. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

In what way does hindsight make you want to have Bard closing?  I get that he is not a good starter...but this season just proved to me that they were right to not trust him as a closer.  He is just not mentally strong enough.

Agreed, and not good enough either.  Just not enough control over his secondary pitches.  The fact that he had issues locating his fast ball this season does not bode well for his future either.
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