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Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #615 on: January 20, 2013, 09:34:56 PM »

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Three out of four absolutely repugnant losses in the last four years for the Patriots. 

Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.
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Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #616 on: January 20, 2013, 09:35:55 PM »

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Pats D doesn't force any turnovers.

Brady is missing his top endzone targets.

Opponent has a tough, physical D that doesn't get scared by the big moment.

You have the ingredients for a Pats loss.

Credit the Ravens line for protection, they've done a great job...but at the same time, you can see a TOTAL lack of passrush by the Pats

Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #617 on: January 20, 2013, 09:37:26 PM »

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Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.

Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever.  The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.


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Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #618 on: January 20, 2013, 09:37:56 PM »

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Is that right?  This is the first game Brady has ever lost after leading at the half?


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Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #619 on: January 20, 2013, 09:39:34 PM »

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Three out of four absolutely repugnant losses in the last four years for the Patriots. 

Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

The fact that he struggles SO much against the Ravens definately hurts him a bit.  Not alot, but more now considering he just lost an AFC championship game at home to them.  And not just lost, but really got his ass kicked for the entire second half.

Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #620 on: January 20, 2013, 09:40:36 PM »

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Is that right?  This is the first game Brady has ever lost after leading at the half?

Correct.


Roy, I agree with you that Brady will, like Brett Favre, go down as one of the best ever.

But the fact that in the past 5-6 years he's been outplayed in big playoff games by QBs who were considered lesser is kind of a big deal.

As I've said before, with all of the injuries it was going to be difficult for the Patriots to win this one.  But Brady got outplayed by Flacco pretty handily.  Not even close, really.
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Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #621 on: January 20, 2013, 09:43:34 PM »

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Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.

Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever.  The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.
There's that and I think people will look back at his Superbowl wins and realize he was pretty much a game manager in the first and third (and in the second Jake Delhomme went throw for throw with him).  In fact, in the first his stats were worse than Dilfer's who is known solely as a game manager.  I think people will look back and say, hey any good QB was going to win with those Patriots teams. 
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Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #622 on: January 20, 2013, 09:45:15 PM »

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Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.

Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever.  The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.

Yeah Brady will still always be considered one of the best QBs of all time.  But if he wants to be mentioned in the same breath as Montana, he has to win another championship.  His struggles against the Ravens and Giants will be just another chapter in his career.

However, while I personally think it's a ridiculous statement, if Belichick wants to silence all the spygate talk, he HAS to win another title.  If he doesn't, spygate will always hover over him, whether it be fairly or unfairly depending on your opinion

Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #623 on: January 20, 2013, 09:48:31 PM »

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Called it in the 1st quarter. This was another coaching bomb by Belichek. He's good for one atrocious game every once in a while, and I called it very early that this would be one when I saw him punting on 4th and short and it was confirmed throughout the game. Just incredibly timid coaching.
-Punting twice on fourth and short near or past mid field.
-Punting twice from inside the opponents 40.

Those are plays that always predict the losing team. They are always bad coaching decisions with an average offense. And they are inexcusable decisions from the best NFL offense. It set the tone early, and Pats deserved to lose.

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« Reply #624 on: January 20, 2013, 09:49:04 PM »

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More than Brady, Belichek should absolutely be destroyed by the press after this.

Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #625 on: January 20, 2013, 09:54:22 PM »

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What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
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Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #626 on: January 20, 2013, 09:56:08 PM »

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What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.
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« Reply #627 on: January 20, 2013, 10:02:06 PM »

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from a NEUTRAL party standpoint... it appeared to me the Pats were flat out coached and out hustled.  Ravens wanted it more and responded with the huge tips, intercetions , fumble recovery , ect..

OH well...back to Celtic basketball

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« Reply #628 on: January 20, 2013, 10:08:34 PM »

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Montana
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Brady

Still top 3.

Re: 2012 Patriots Football
« Reply #629 on: January 20, 2013, 10:14:36 PM »

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What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.

Not sure what you're thinking of, but the key drop for Welker was right on his chest, between his hands.  Just a bad drop.

Pretty huge drop by Vereen in the 4th, too.
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