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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2012, 03:03:39 PM »

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I just dont' see the point of getting rid of a 25 year old all-star when you're trying to rebuild.

You want to have 25 year old all-stars on your team when you're assembling a new core to your team. Getting rid of him for the sake of draft position is just hitting the reset button because you lack the vision to try something else.
One 25 year old all star (who isn't a top five player in the game) is going to make your team good enough to just make the playoffs or just miss the playoffs.  That isn't a good place to be when you are trying to rebuild.  You won't be bad enough to get the truly elite draft assets and likewise won't be good enough to draw elite level players to your team.  You end up with overpriced role players in free agency. 
We've been over this before and I'm still not convinced.

If Rondo is as limited as you seem to think I fail to see why we won't be bad enough to get decent picks anyways. If the very picks you seem to think are the foundation would produce a player as good as Rondo is right now we'd be estatic. So why throw away a player in hand outright?

The Kings, Warriors, Bobcats, Clippers, etc. were all repeat lottery bound teams that basically never got anywhere. Better to try and build with Rondo than just punt and say to the fan base "Sorry we're going to dump a 25 year old high level player so we can be as terrible as possible for four years."

This isn't dumping Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson, or dumping Camby and Wallace again, etc..

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2012, 03:09:09 PM »

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   Rondo is a superstar who can carry a franchise by himself.  People who are still talking about him like it's 2008 have to start looking at what he's doing.  Hilarious that people think Rondo can't take us to a championship by himself, but Deron Williams (um.. New Jersey?)or Chris Paul (New Orleans?) can. He was the best player on the floor yesterday and he was playing with Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Joe Johnson and Josh Smith.
The names Rondo's performances have drawn comparisons to this year? Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin and John Stockton.
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2012, 03:15:19 PM »

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  Rondo is a superstar who can carry a franchise by himself.  People who are still talking about him like it's 2008 have to start looking at what he's doing.  Hilarious that people think Rondo can't take us to a championship by himself, but Deron Williams (um.. New Jersey?)or Chris Paul (New Orleans?) can. He was the best player on the floor yesterday and he was playing with Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Joe Johnson and Josh Smith.
The names Rondo's performances have drawn comparisons to this year? Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin and John Stockton.

I don't think he can but I don't want to trade him, either.

He's an excellent complementary piece.  You get a couple of guys to go around him that complement his game and you have yourself a pretty solid core. 


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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #63 on: April 30, 2012, 03:19:12 PM »

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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #64 on: April 30, 2012, 03:20:27 PM »

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I just dont' see the point of getting rid of a 25 year old all-star when you're trying to rebuild.

You want to have 25 year old all-stars on your team when you're assembling a new core to your team. Getting rid of him for the sake of draft position is just hitting the reset button because you lack the vision to try something else.
One 25 year old all star (who isn't a top five player in the game) is going to make your team good enough to just make the playoffs or just miss the playoffs.  That isn't a good place to be when you are trying to rebuild.  You won't be bad enough to get the truly elite draft assets and likewise won't be good enough to draw elite level players to your team.  You end up with overpriced role players in free agency. 
We've been over this before and I'm still not convinced.

If Rondo is as limited as you seem to think I fail to see why we won't be bad enough to get decent picks anyways. If the very picks you seem to think are the foundation would produce a player as good as Rondo is right now we'd be estatic. So why throw away a player in hand outright?

The Kings, Warriors, Bobcats, Clippers, etc. were all repeat lottery bound teams that basically never got anywhere. Better to try and build with Rondo than just punt and say to the fan base "Sorry we're going to dump a 25 year old high level player so we can be as terrible as possible for four years."

This isn't dumping Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson, or dumping Camby and Wallace again, etc..
Rondo is a good player, he is just inconsistent, but when he is on he is a great player.

As for the rest if you are truly bad it is rare you are going to get an elite talent from day 1 (the only 3 that fit that bill in the last 20 years or so are Lebron, Shaq and Duncan and the first two teams were in the lottery again after), thus you will be in a position to collect three or four very good players while they develop and can form the core of your next contending team.  If you draft well, you should get at least two (and really should get three) players worth building around.  

A guy like Rondo will keep the Celtics as a 30 win team, which means they would have to get very lucky in the lottery, to get a top three talent.  If the Celtics move Rondo,  they will likely get a lottery pick or a recent lottery pick (plus the two picks in the 20's).  In addition, that team will be pretty bad and will get a very high pick in the 2013 draft and will have a ton of cap space where they might be able to draw two top tier talents to pair with the two lottery picks.  I just don't see Rondo as being enough to draw another star, whereas two high end players and the room for two top tier free agents, might be a draw.  
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #65 on: April 30, 2012, 03:35:33 PM »

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Unless it's equal value, no thanks.

You said we should rebuild, why can't we rebuild with him? He doesn't have to be the main piece, he can just be one of them. We have cap space, two first rounders this year. We can start of on that. Id rather rebuild slowly with Rondo and be competitive than suck for a few years just so we can get draft picks that we may or may not know, will pan out for us.

 
Celtics should not trade him for anything less than his value. With his level of production and his reasonable contract, i'd rather ride along with his attitude problems which is not cancerous in any way than trade him for less.

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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #66 on: April 30, 2012, 03:42:10 PM »

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I just dont' see the point of getting rid of a 25 year old all-star when you're trying to rebuild.

You want to have 25 year old all-stars on your team when you're assembling a new core to your team. Getting rid of him for the sake of draft position is just hitting the reset button because you lack the vision to try something else.
One 25 year old all star (who isn't a top five player in the game) is going to make your team good enough to just make the playoffs or just miss the playoffs.  That isn't a good place to be when you are trying to rebuild.  You won't be bad enough to get the truly elite draft assets and likewise won't be good enough to draw elite level players to your team.  You end up with overpriced role players in free agency.  
We've been over this before and I'm still not convinced.

If Rondo is as limited as you seem to think I fail to see why we won't be bad enough to get decent picks anyways. If the very picks you seem to think are the foundation would produce a player as good as Rondo is right now we'd be estatic. So why throw away a player in hand outright?

The Kings, Warriors, Bobcats, Clippers, etc. were all repeat lottery bound teams that basically never got anywhere. Better to try and build with Rondo than just punt and say to the fan base "Sorry we're going to dump a 25 year old high level player so we can be as terrible as possible for four years."

This isn't dumping Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson, or dumping Camby and Wallace again, etc..

faulty logic is never convincing.  The whole "not bad enough to get us x...."  "but just good enough to not get us y...."    line of GM philosophizing should be put out to pasture......soon.

Edit:  Just be more direct and say you (Moranis) are not a fan of Rondo's package and would prefer a PG who shoots jump shots better.  Done.  No need for convolution.


Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #67 on: April 30, 2012, 04:08:58 PM »

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I like what Rondo did last night, it shows passion and fire, something nobody but him had last night, where the heck was our franchise player Paul Pierce? I didnt even know he played last night, what the heck happened.
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #68 on: April 30, 2012, 04:14:44 PM »

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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer

No they don't

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2012, 04:24:16 PM »

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Oh NOT THIS AGAIN

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2012, 04:29:07 PM »

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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer

No they don't

+1

Rondo doesn't ever 'need' to be traded. If you are not getting an all NBA, all star lock player in return, there is no reason to trade Rondo. I love his passion. Even Bird, Pierce, etc made mistakes were their passion went too far.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2012, 04:59:19 PM »

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Oh NOT THIS AGAIN

my thoughts exactly. all it took was one incident for all the Rondo haters to start flooding the internet again, even though he has been sensational the past few months and was carrying this team last night.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2012, 05:02:11 PM »

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Trading Rondo will destroy this time for the next five to seven years.
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2012, 05:28:30 PM »

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If we win this series, this trade value topic will be totally forgotten. Then we would move on to a Rose-less Bulls team where Rondo could really dominate.

I know there are some big 'ifs' in this series, but the Celtics have played incredibly well lately and really have no reason not to win this series. The Hawks don't have [who is essentially] their best player in Horford. I am not even going to worry about it unless we lose game 2.

Get some rest Rondo, you're still the best in my mind.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2012, 05:40:32 PM »

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Sometimes I wonder if Danny never pursued CP3, would all the anti Rondo people still want him traded. it may be just me but I didn't hear many people calling for Rondo to be traded after we were eliminated last year.