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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2012, 11:52:13 AM »

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No, thanks.  I have my beefs with Rondo but he is undoubtedly a top 4 Point Guard in the NBA and you aren't going to get equal value for him.

He is really going to struggle next season though if we don't add a big-time scorer to the roster.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2012, 11:54:28 AM »

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This is a bad time to trade him.  That performance that got him tossed lowers his trade value. 

yea what he did last night totally wipes out his 25+ game streak of 10 assists or more, and being able to dominate a game without having to score.  ::)


Yes.  Guys that blow up and lose playoff games for their teams lose trade value. 


Especially when teams think the team want to get rid of him. 



Here's the honest truth...GMs in this league do not place value on a player based on one game unless that game is The Brawl at the Palace.

Thinking Rondo's trade value decreased because he bumped a ref is ridiculous and absurd.

What lowers Rondo's trade value is his at times lack of effort on defense, his horrid free throw shooting, and his lack of an ability to hit outside shots consistently every game.

But bumping a ref in one game is not going to change his value in ANY GM's mind in this league.


Change his value, no.


Change how much teams will offer, yes.



For all the good things Rondo did last night, it became meaningless the moment he decided to get two technical fouls at the end of the 4th quarter.  


He gave the team ahead extra FTs.

He took himself out of the game.


He threw away the Celtics comeback because he couldn't keep his emotions in hand with the official.


The Celtics will not get even talent value for Rondo.  
If you offer less for a player because of what occurred in a game you are lowering your perceived value of the player. Or you are a really bad negotiator that doesn't understand that the owner of Rondo's contract isn't going to suddenly take less because he bumped a ref.

Again, the concept is ridiculous and absurd. The NBA doesn't work that way. Heck, the business world doesn't work that way.

Its like saying a house has less value because the walls inside are painted an ugly blue instead of a neutral colored beige and that people will offer less for the house based on the color of the paint on the walls inside.

Its like saying the value of a car is less because of the tread on the tires or that someone would offer you less on a Corvette because the tires are a bit worn.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2012, 11:59:28 AM »

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I think Rondo and Bradley are a nice start to rebuild.   One is a assist master and the other a decent off guard.  Both can defend and one is light's out on D.

I would like to see us draft two bigs that can run the floor and resign KG for Center.   Maybe Royce White as one of the runners.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2012, 12:02:53 PM »

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This is a bad time to trade him.  That performance that got him tossed lowers his trade value. 

yea what he did last night totally wipes out his 25+ game streak of 10 assists or more, and being able to dominate a game without having to score.  ::)


Yes.  Guys that blow up and lose playoff games for their teams lose trade value. 


Especially when teams think the team want to get rid of him. 



Here's the honest truth...GMs in this league do not place value on a player based on one game unless that game is The Brawl at the Palace.

Thinking Rondo's trade value decreased because he bumped a ref is ridiculous and absurd.

What lowers Rondo's trade value is his at times lack of effort on defense, his horrid free throw shooting, and his lack of an ability to hit outside shots consistently every game.

But bumping a ref in one game is not going to change his value in ANY GM's mind in this league.

  The fact that the coaches and GMs by and large consider Rondo to be one of the best defensive pgs in the game would imply that his effort on defense does a lot more to raise his trade value than lower it.

I'm with you BBall. I think he has awesome trade value and I don't want to move him. I also think he's a great defender. My point is if a GM is going to devalue Rondo its for the points I made not because he bumped a ref.

Seriously is Andrew Bynum's trade value less because he clocked JJ Barea?

Is Howard's trade value less because he once was suspended for a high elbow on Samuel Dalambert?

Do player's values decrease because they rack up technicals arguing with refs or getting fined for criticizing refs?


Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2012, 12:05:09 PM »

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This is a bad time to trade him.  That performance that got him tossed lowers his trade value. 

yea what he did last night totally wipes out his 25+ game streak of 10 assists or more, and being able to dominate a game without having to score.  ::)


Yes.  Guys that blow up and lose playoff games for their teams lose trade value. 


Especially when teams think the team want to get rid of him. 



Here's the honest truth...GMs in this league do not place value on a player based on one game unless that game is The Brawl at the Palace.

Thinking Rondo's trade value decreased because he bumped a ref is ridiculous and absurd.

What lowers Rondo's trade value is his at times lack of effort on defense, his horrid free throw shooting, and his lack of an ability to hit outside shots consistently every game.

But bumping a ref in one game is not going to change his value in ANY GM's mind in this league.


Change his value, no.


Change how much teams will offer, yes.



For all the good things Rondo did last night, it became meaningless the moment he decided to get two technical fouls at the end of the 4th quarter.  


He gave the team ahead extra FTs.

He took himself out of the game.


He threw away the Celtics comeback because he couldn't keep his emotions in hand with the official.


The Celtics will not get even talent value for Rondo.  

  So every player who's antics hurt a team in a playoff game (KG, PP, Kobe, LeBron, Amare, Ewing, Pippen, et al) all see their trade value drop because of it?

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2012, 12:09:56 PM »

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No.
Never.

The idea that his trade value plummets because of this game is absurd. Is it not equaled out by playing with a dislocated elbow last year?

The reactionary nature of these sentiments boggles the mind. If this incident only reinforces your long held opinions, fine, but to see it swaying someone on the fence seems far fetched and to put any great importance on it beyond the present also enrages (this is in no way the nail in the coffin or any such thing).

I want Rondo here for the long haul.
Ugh, this debate has gone on endlessly, and probably will continue for years. I don't think either side is being swayed anyways....But all the too immature, he is an embarrassment to The Celtics stuff rankles with how absurd it feels to me. The Captain, DJ, Parish, etc etc all could have been tarnished with this very same brush.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2012, 12:21:05 PM »

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This is a bad time to trade him.  That performance that got him tossed lowers his trade value. 

yea what he did last night totally wipes out his 25+ game streak of 10 assists or more, and being able to dominate a game without having to score.  ::)


Yes.  Guys that blow up and lose playoff games for their teams lose trade value. 


Especially when teams think the team want to get rid of him. 



Here's the honest truth...GMs in this league do not place value on a player based on one game unless that game is The Brawl at the Palace.

Thinking Rondo's trade value decreased because he bumped a ref is ridiculous and absurd.

What lowers Rondo's trade value is his at times lack of effort on defense, his horrid free throw shooting, and his lack of an ability to hit outside shots consistently every game.

But bumping a ref in one game is not going to change his value in ANY GM's mind in this league.


Change his value, no.


Change how much teams will offer, yes.



For all the good things Rondo did last night, it became meaningless the moment he decided to get two technical fouls at the end of the 4th quarter.  


He gave the team ahead extra FTs.

He took himself out of the game.


He threw away the Celtics comeback because he couldn't keep his emotions in hand with the official.


The Celtics will not get even talent value for Rondo.  

  So every player who's antics hurt a team in a playoff game (KG, PP, Kobe, LeBron, Amare, Ewing, Pippen, et al) all see their trade value drop because of it?



Yes,


Remember how Pierce's value across the league dipped after that Pacer's series. 


No one said the value can not be recovered.  It is just a bad idea to trade a player after events that lower value. 


If you are going to trade a player, you do during a hot streak.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2012, 12:25:33 PM »

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He made a bad decision, that's not reason to trade him.

People have such short memories of the great games he had in the playoffs, especially during the run to the finals we had two years ago.
Still don't believe in Joe.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2012, 12:30:34 PM »

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UNbelievable.....thats all I could say.

Threads like these just makes me vomit as a Celticsfan.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2012, 12:33:14 PM »

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Blowing it up, trading anyone, or moving on from anyone should rest soley on how these playoffs end up. If they get knocked out anywhere short of the ECF game 6 or 7 it's time to go a different direction in general.
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2012, 12:35:29 PM »

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This is a bad time to trade him.  That performance that got him tossed lowers his trade value. 

yea what he did last night totally wipes out his 25+ game streak of 10 assists or more, and being able to dominate a game without having to score.  ::)


Yes.  Guys that blow up and lose playoff games for their teams lose trade value. 


Especially when teams think the team want to get rid of him. 



Here's the honest truth...GMs in this league do not place value on a player based on one game unless that game is The Brawl at the Palace.

Thinking Rondo's trade value decreased because he bumped a ref is ridiculous and absurd.

What lowers Rondo's trade value is his at times lack of effort on defense, his horrid free throw shooting, and his lack of an ability to hit outside shots consistently every game.

But bumping a ref in one game is not going to change his value in ANY GM's mind in this league.


Change his value, no.


Change how much teams will offer, yes.



For all the good things Rondo did last night, it became meaningless the moment he decided to get two technical fouls at the end of the 4th quarter.  


He gave the team ahead extra FTs.

He took himself out of the game.


He threw away the Celtics comeback because he couldn't keep his emotions in hand with the official.


The Celtics will not get even talent value for Rondo.  

  So every player who's antics hurt a team in a playoff game (KG, PP, Kobe, LeBron, Amare, Ewing, Pippen, et al) all see their trade value drop because of it?



Yes,


Remember how Pierce's value across the league dipped after that Pacer's series. 


No one said the value can not be recovered.  It is just a bad idea to trade a player after events that lower value. 


If you are going to trade a player, you do during a hot streak.

That's an extremely short sighted and predictable way of looking at it.

If a GM is going to offer less to Danny for Rondo because of last night, that gm is A. Stupid for thinking Danny values him less or B. Stupid for letting that minor incident get in the way of acquiring a star player in this league.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2012, 12:39:08 PM »

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This is a bad time to trade him.  That performance that got him tossed lowers his trade value. 

yea what he did last night totally wipes out his 25+ game streak of 10 assists or more, and being able to dominate a game without having to score.  ::)


Yes.  Guys that blow up and lose playoff games for their teams lose trade value. 


Especially when teams think the team want to get rid of him. 



Here's the honest truth...GMs in this league do not place value on a player based on one game unless that game is The Brawl at the Palace.

Thinking Rondo's trade value decreased because he bumped a ref is ridiculous and absurd.

What lowers Rondo's trade value is his at times lack of effort on defense, his horrid free throw shooting, and his lack of an ability to hit outside shots consistently every game.

But bumping a ref in one game is not going to change his value in ANY GM's mind in this league.


Change his value, no.


Change how much teams will offer, yes.



For all the good things Rondo did last night, it became meaningless the moment he decided to get two technical fouls at the end of the 4th quarter.  


He gave the team ahead extra FTs.

He took himself out of the game.


He threw away the Celtics comeback because he couldn't keep his emotions in hand with the official.


The Celtics will not get even talent value for Rondo.  

  So every player who's antics hurt a team in a playoff game (KG, PP, Kobe, LeBron, Amare, Ewing, Pippen, et al) all see their trade value drop because of it?



Yes,


Remember how Pierce's value across the league dipped after that Pacer's series. 


No one said the value can not be recovered.  It is just a bad idea to trade a player after events that lower value. 


If you are going to trade a player, you do during a hot streak.

That's an extremely short sighted and predictable way of looking at it.

If a GM is going to offer less to Danny for Rondo because of last night, that gm is A. Stupid for thinking Danny values him less or B. Stupid for letting that minor incident get in the way of acquiring a star player in this league.


No, it is how it works.


If there is any reason a team would be looking to get rid of a player, teams offer less.  How many times do you see teams get less then they should for an all-star level player? 



I think it would be foolish to trade Rondo right now.  The Celtics would not get full value for him in terms of talent.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2012, 12:40:52 PM »

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This is a bad time to trade him.  That performance that got him tossed lowers his trade value. 

yea what he did last night totally wipes out his 25+ game streak of 10 assists or more, and being able to dominate a game without having to score.  ::)


Yes.  Guys that blow up and lose playoff games for their teams lose trade value. 


Especially when teams think the team want to get rid of him. 



Here's the honest truth...GMs in this league do not place value on a player based on one game unless that game is The Brawl at the Palace.

Thinking Rondo's trade value decreased because he bumped a ref is ridiculous and absurd.

What lowers Rondo's trade value is his at times lack of effort on defense, his horrid free throw shooting, and his lack of an ability to hit outside shots consistently every game.

But bumping a ref in one game is not going to change his value in ANY GM's mind in this league.


Change his value, no.


Change how much teams will offer, yes.



For all the good things Rondo did last night, it became meaningless the moment he decided to get two technical fouls at the end of the 4th quarter.  


He gave the team ahead extra FTs.

He took himself out of the game.


He threw away the Celtics comeback because he couldn't keep his emotions in hand with the official.


The Celtics will not get even talent value for Rondo.  

  So every player who's antics hurt a team in a playoff game (KG, PP, Kobe, LeBron, Amare, Ewing, Pippen, et al) all see their trade value drop because of it?



Yes,


Remember how Pierce's value across the league dipped after that Pacer's series. 


No one said the value can not be recovered.  It is just a bad idea to trade a player after events that lower value. 


If you are going to trade a player, you do during a hot streak.

  The only PP trade talks I recall was the Portland deal. How low did his value around the league dip?

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2012, 12:45:18 PM »

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  The only PP trade talks I recall was the Portland deal. How low did his value around the league dip?

And wasn't that for a top 4 four pick in a top heavy talent loaded draft that would have netted the current best PG in the league and current top 5 player in the league?

Sounds like his value didn't dip too much, if you ask me.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2012, 12:53:20 PM »

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   Are you serious?  This is a trade worthy incident?  He had 20 points, 11 assists, 4 steals, 4 rebounds and only 1 TO while shooting 56% from the field.  He was hands down the best player on the floor including Josh Smith.  Rondo should be given the Nobel Peace Price for not punching that "official" in the face.  
   First of all, that "official" thought he was a superstar and all the people were there cheering for him.  He knows that he will never be as important as Rondo at anything and he let his ego and insecurity take over.  He blows a call on Josh Smith.  He repeatedly let Rondo get abused under the rim.  Every time Rondo pointed out his obvious lack of ability to officiate the game, he got sensitive and took it out on Rondo.  
   I've never seen a foul called on two people fighting for a loose ball on the floor in the regular season let alone a playoff game, but this official clearly thought that he will become a hero and decide the fate of the game by just gifting one team with the ball in a game changing moment.  The Celtics had cut it to 4 points with plenty of time, and after some inspired defense and KG literally diving face first on the floor to get the ball they give the ball to Atlanta on a bad call, two POSSESSIONS in a row.
   He also T'd up Rondo for doing nothing but arguing the call which he was perfectly allowed to do (especially when the official just gave a free possession to the Hawks when Smith knocked the ball from Rondo's hands out of bounds.) He clearly stopped short and Rondo tripped on his foot.  The irony is the only way Rondo could've stopped his fall was put his hands on the official.  Did Rondo put a little extra force and enjoy the contact a little too much, yeah.  But I honestly was contemplating punching the ref myself.  Rondo has never been the type of guy to hit players or refs.  He gets angry but I've never seen him initiate contact with anyone.  But whatever, thanks to Metta World Peace, Rondo will pay the price.  
   The official should be fired on the spot.  If you can't do your job properly you get fired.  That's the "rule" every one lives by, except for officials in the NBA.
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