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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #180 on: May 18, 2012, 01:49:13 PM »

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I would actually trade Mr.Trip-Dub+Bass for a Josh Smith+T-Mac package or a Conley+Gasol package.

Ohh, and a BIG POINT FROM THIS TOPIC, FOCUS ON TRADING RAY ALLEN THE MOST. THIS GUY LOOKS LIKE A CERTIFIED SCRUB BY NOT 'BEING HIMSELF'!!!!!(note his shooting %s and stop using the excuse of being injury plagued, its not like he uses his legs for his free-throw style that much)


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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #181 on: May 18, 2012, 02:09:02 PM »

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Well what team's need a PG that would trade for him?

I say all these say no:
Philly- Jrue Holiday
Chicago - Rose
Milwaukee - Jennings/Ellis
Cleveland - Irving
Detroit - Knight
Atlanta - Teague
Washington - Wall
OKC - Westbrook
Denver - Lawson
Minny - Rubio
LAC - Paul
GSW - Curry
Sactown - Thomas
Spurs - Parker
Houston - Lowry/Dragic
Memphis - Conley
Toronto - Calderon

That leaves
New York - though they may be good with giving Lin another shot
New Jersey - if they can't resign Williams
Indiana - who seems to be thriving in the playoffs with George Hill
Miami - who only has one of their top three to offer and doesn't need a pass first PG because of their ridiculous offensive system
Orlando - who would only offer Ryan Anderson
Charlotte - who has nothing to offer
Utah
Portland - who wouldn't give up Aldridge for Rondo
Lakers - Bynum?
Phoenix - would love him to replace Nash but has nothing to send back
Dallas - only if they don't sign Williams
New Orleans
Given Williams and nash are free agents that takes two teams out of the market.
So who's left that would want an All-Star PG at $10-11 million a year that would give up equal talent in return?
Not a lot. So I think Rondo stays.
I think you're overestimating the worth of some of those other PGs.  Rondo is better than these established players you've listed.
Houston - Lowry/Dragic
Memphis - Conley
Toronto - Calderon
Philly- Jrue Holiday
Milwaukee - Jennings/Ellis
Detroit - Knight
Atlanta - Teague
Denver - Lawson
GSW - Curry
Sactown - Thomas (well, not established but no all-star)

I could understand if those teams thought these guys were effective enough for their price but they're not better than Rondo.  Also, Wall, Irving and Rubio are on rookie deals and would be understandable for those teams to hold on to based on projected development and cost.  Even Parker is debatable based on health and age.

I think there's a lot of teams that would be improved if they had Rondo over their current PG it's a matter of whether that team wants that upgrade and if they're compatible trading partners.

I for one want to keep Rondo simply because he impacts so many facets of the game, is unselfish with the ball, is durable and has the ability to take over a game at times.  The list of PGs with those qualities is [dang] short.
Just because Rondo is better than those players, doesn't mean they are in the market for an upgrade in the PG area of their team. Most of those players are extremely good and highly capable of being the starting PG on a contending team. Therefore, it most likely their GMs will be looking for something besides a PG to attempt to take them to the next level. Thats all I am saying. They probably arent in the market for a PG.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #182 on: May 18, 2012, 02:16:34 PM »

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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #183 on: May 18, 2012, 02:27:38 PM »

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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #184 on: May 18, 2012, 03:02:00 PM »

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Well what team's need a PG that would trade for him?

I say all these say no:
Philly- Jrue Holiday
Chicago - Rose
Milwaukee - Jennings/Ellis
Cleveland - Irving
Detroit - Knight
Atlanta - Teague
Washington - Wall
OKC - Westbrook
Denver - Lawson
Minny - Rubio
LAC - Paul
GSW - Curry
Sactown - Thomas
Spurs - Parker
Houston - Lowry/Dragic
Memphis - Conley
Toronto - Calderon

That leaves
New York - though they may be good with giving Lin another shot
New Jersey - if they can't resign Williams
Indiana - who seems to be thriving in the playoffs with George Hill
Miami - who only has one of their top three to offer and doesn't need a pass first PG because of their ridiculous offensive system
Orlando - who would only offer Ryan Anderson
Charlotte - who has nothing to offer
Utah
Portland - who wouldn't give up Aldridge for Rondo
Lakers - Bynum?
Phoenix - would love him to replace Nash but has nothing to send back
Dallas - only if they don't sign Williams
New Orleans
Given Williams and nash are free agents that takes two teams out of the market.
So who's left that would want an All-Star PG at $10-11 million a year that would give up equal talent in return?
Not a lot. So I think Rondo stays.
I think you're overestimating the worth of some of those other PGs.  Rondo is better than these established players you've listed.
Houston - Lowry/Dragic
Memphis - Conley
Toronto - Calderon
Philly- Jrue Holiday
Milwaukee - Jennings/Ellis
Detroit - Knight
Atlanta - Teague
Denver - Lawson
GSW - Curry
Sactown - Thomas (well, not established but no all-star)

I could understand if those teams thought these guys were effective enough for their price but they're not better than Rondo.  Also, Wall, Irving and Rubio are on rookie deals and would be understandable for those teams to hold on to based on projected development and cost.  Even Parker is debatable based on health and age.

I think there's a lot of teams that would be improved if they had Rondo over their current PG it's a matter of whether that team wants that upgrade and if they're compatible trading partners.

I for one want to keep Rondo simply because he impacts so many facets of the game, is unselfish with the ball, is durable and has the ability to take over a game at times.  The list of PGs with those qualities is [dang] short.
Just because Rondo is better than those players, doesn't mean they are in the market for an upgrade in the PG area of their team. Most of those players are extremely good and highly capable of being the starting PG on a contending team. Therefore, it most likely their GMs will be looking for something besides a PG to attempt to take them to the next level. Thats all I am saying. They probably arent in the market for a PG.

Nick, I completely disagree with your rationale about teams that could be in the market for Rondo (although I don't think he should be traded, and the idea we need to move him is silly to me).

Except for Chicago and LAC who have superstar point guards, I could see any team being open to trading for Rondo.  Even a team like OKC (though highly doubtful, it could happen if they needed to trim payroll swapping Westbrooks's $16m for Rondo's $11m).

Just because a team has a serviceable PG, doesn't mean they don't want to improve.  You're telling me if Danny called up Toronto and said would you be interested in a trade centered around Jose Calderon and another asset for Rondo, they wouldn't listen?

We all know Atlanta needs to desperately shake things up, but they wouldn't be open to trading Teague and another asset for Rondo?

We just almost traded Ray Allen for another SG.  Though by your rationale, that trade would never have been discussed because both teams were already set at SG.

Off the top of my head, look at all these PG's traded for another PG in the somewhat recent past.  But none of these trades would have happened if every team just went down the list and eliminated possible trades for teams that already had a serviceable player at that position:

Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury
Sam Cassell for Jason Kidd
Sam Cassell for Terrell Brandon for Stephon Marbury
Kenny Anderson for Damon Stoudamire
Chauncey Billups for Kenny Anderson
Mike Bibby for Jason Williams
Rafer Alston for Mike James

25+ teams will be looking to shake things up in the off-season to try to improve their team, and just about everybody on their roster is fair game.  Sometimes a good player gets traded for a player that plays the same position.

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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #185 on: May 18, 2012, 03:05:05 PM »

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Rondo has to be traded in exchange for an All star caliber PG or a very high value package. That's it. Trying to trade him for less is dumb.

If we are getting Kyle Lowry + a player + Houston's 2012 first or Jose Calderon + Toronto's 2012 1st + a player then that i believe is a fair deal. Anything less than that is, well, dumb.
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #186 on: May 18, 2012, 03:14:37 PM »

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I think the title of the thread should be edited...

"The Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer"
Marcus Smart "Impacts Winning." Boston Celtics Coach Brad Stevens

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #187 on: May 18, 2012, 03:35:38 PM »

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I think the title of the thread should be edited...

"The Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer"

Well done!  Tommy point for you.
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #188 on: May 18, 2012, 04:02:13 PM »

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All star caliber PG

Rondo is an all star caliber PG!

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #189 on: May 18, 2012, 04:03:21 PM »

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All star caliber PG

Rondo is an all star caliber PG!
Actually Rondo is an All Star PG.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #190 on: May 18, 2012, 04:11:36 PM »

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Man, the whole premise of this thread and its creation looks down right silly in retrospect.

I'm glad Danny Ainge isn't as reactive as the members of this board.
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #191 on: May 18, 2012, 04:17:51 PM »

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All star caliber PG

Rondo is an all star caliber PG!
Actually Rondo is an All Star PG.

Bingo!
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Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #192 on: May 22, 2012, 10:01:15 AM »

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Name one player in the NBA who isn't on their rookie contract and can match Rondo's production (3x all-star, league leader in APG, perennial all-defense selection) at his salary.

The Celtics could not possibly match his talent in a trade without taking on significantly more money, it just makes no sense at all.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #193 on: May 22, 2012, 10:06:32 AM »

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Name one player in the NBA who isn't on their rookie contract and can match Rondo's production (3x all-star, league leader in APG, perennial all-defense selection) at his salary.

The Celtics could not possibly match his talent in a trade without taking on significantly more money, it just makes no sense at all.
They could take on young players on their rookie contracts.  I proposed a number of trades I think Boston would consider and that the other team would consider that provide an opportunity for Boston to come out ahead long term.

Re: Celtics need to trade Rondo this summer
« Reply #194 on: May 22, 2012, 10:10:53 AM »

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Name one player in the NBA who isn't on their rookie contract and can match Rondo's production (3x all-star, league leader in APG, perennial all-defense selection) at his salary.

The Celtics could not possibly match his talent in a trade without taking on significantly more money, it just makes no sense at all.
Most guys who make as much as he does are worse players, but there are many maxed out players who I'd take for him.