Ray gone after this season S&T (speculation)

[CFAN38]

If Ray really is gone (as has been rumored) what is the likely hood that he is used in a S&T? I searched quickly and haven't been able to find any precedent for an aged star being used in a S&T. Most S&Ts are stars looking to get max $ while jumping ship to new teams (lebron,Amare, etc).

If Ray is resigned for say 2 years at 6mill each. Who would be interested enough in his services to potentially give up worth while assets for him?

Would any teams do the following S&T (I find all very unlikely)

Ray to the bulls for resigned Asik?

Ray to the Thunder for Aldrich and Cook?

Ray to Memphis for resigned Mayo?

Ray to the Suns for Frye

Ray plus both 1sts and JJJ to Utah for Milsap?

[SHAQATTACK]

to early to tell , sorta depends on how far the C's go , how Ray' ankle heals,  alot of things.  REvisit this in the summer . All the teams are focused on the playoffs. 

[Leeds]

I really hope we re-sign  some of our guys

Allen
KG
Steimsma
Pietrus

I'm open to resigning Hollins and Daniels but  only if necessary, they can be easily replaced IMO


And ones I'd prefer i f we didn't re-sign
Dooling
Pavlovic

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I really hope we re-sign  some of our guys

Allen
KG
Steimsma
Pietrus

I'm open to resigning Hollins and Daniels but  only if necessary, they can be easily replaced IMO


And ones I'd prefer i f we didn't re-sign
Dooling
Pavlovic

Agreed here, but I won't resign Hollins. I'd rather take a draft pick and see what he can do.

I'd resign Sasha. I've been on record to say that Sasha can be the off the bench scorer for this team, just that he's not getting his shots. He also plays solid defense (not good, not bad either) and I'm pretty sure he can come in cheap. He knows the system already and relatively young still. It'll be a good signing, as long as it's not going to go over 2 million dollars.

If Ray does not re sign, give that money to Brandon Rush. Yeah I'll be driving this bandwagon all season long.

[slamtheking]

I can't see a S&T for Ray happening.  Only contenders would want him and they'd have to send something back.  I doubt they'd send anyone of value that would help us without hurting themselves.

Also, with Ray's bone spurs, age and declining effectiveness (as an all-around player), I don't see a contender that would offer him the full MLE much less 6 mill a year.

[Eddie20]

I can't see a S&T for Ray happening.  Only contenders would want him and they'd have to send something back.  I doubt they'd send anyone of value that would help us without hurting themselves.

Also, with Ray's bone spurs, age and declining effectiveness (as an all-around player), I don't see a contender that would offer him the full MLE much less 6 mill a year.

He'll definitely get the MLE. Contenders would love having a shooter of his type.

Ainge is rumored to love this draft so perhaps Haslem, Miller, or Chalmers, plus a 1st rd pick could be enough. Remember this would allow the Heat to keep the MLE.

OKC could offer Sefolosha and a 1st for Allen.

LAC still has Bledsoe, which we supposedly covet. Perhaps Bledsoe for Allen gets it done. This would also give us a nice Trade Exception since we'll be sending more money out than coming in.

Just some options...

[Fafnir]

I can't see a S&T for Ray happening.  Only contenders would want him and they'd have to send something back.  I doubt they'd send anyone of value that would help us without hurting themselves.

Also, with Ray's bone spurs, age and declining effectiveness (as an all-around player), I don't see a contender that would offer him the full MLE much less 6 mill a year.

He'll definitely get the MLE. Contenders would love having a shooter of his type.

Ainge is rumored to love this draft so perhaps Haslem, Miller, or Chalmers, plus a 1st rd pick could be enough. Remember this would allow the Heat to keep the MLE.

The Heat lose their pick this year due to the Bosh/LeBron S&T, its complicated by who gets a pick when based on where Toronto/Cleveland end up in the lotter from what I understand.

[MBz]

You can't sign and trade before/during the draft anyways though correct?  If he wants to stay, offer him 3-5 million.  He's still a very good outside shooter and he can serve his role playing 20 minutes off the bench.  If he doesn't like that offer/role, just let him walk. 

[slamtheking]

I can't see a S&T for Ray happening.  Only contenders would want him and they'd have to send something back.  I doubt they'd send anyone of value that would help us without hurting themselves.

Also, with Ray's bone spurs, age and declining effectiveness (as an all-around player), I don't see a contender that would offer him the full MLE much less 6 mill a year.

He'll definitely get the MLE. Contenders would love having a shooter of his type.

Ainge is rumored to love this draft so perhaps Haslem, Miller, or Chalmers, plus a 1st rd pick could be enough. Remember this would allow the Heat to keep the MLE.

OKC could offer Sefolosha and a 1st for Allen.

LAC still has Bledsoe, which we supposedly covet. Perhaps Bledsoe for Allen gets it done. This would also give us a nice Trade Exception since we'll be sending more money out than coming in.

Just some options...

I don't disagree that contenders would want him, if he was completely healthy.  The thing is, he's not in light of these bone spurs.  I just don't see him getting MLE money.  He either has surgery to address it (so questions of how he'll recover) or live with it (so questions about how much he can play).

He's a spot up shooter at this point.  His D, while not awful, is ok if I'm being generous.  put him in a system where he doesn't have the rest of his teammates covering for him and you'll see him get exposed constantly.  
He rarely penetrates for baskets so he doesn't get to the line much where he'd really be an asset.  
His ballhandling is horrid.  he makes TA look like Rondo.
He doesn't grab many rebounds nor does he make a lot of steals.  

At this stage, someone that wants him is looking for that one skill he still has (on a good night and let's face it, he has a lot of not-so-good-nights too) which is shooting.

I'm fine with him going elsewhere as long as we can get a shooter for our bench for less money.  Preferably Pietrus who'll cost less, can hit outside shots, drives to the basket more frequently (head injury not withstanding) and plays much better defense at both wing positions.

[LarBrd33]

Probably will not happen, but there's a chance that Ray doesn't come back for the playoffs.  There's a chance we get swept in the 1st round.  If either or both of those things happen, we'll be kicking ourselves for not trading him when we had a chance.

[Fafnir]

Probably will not happen, but there's a chance that Ray doesn't come back for the playoffs.  There's a chance we get swept in the 1st round.  If either or both of those things happen, we'll be kicking ourselves for not trading him when we had a chance.

If a meteor hits my apartment tonight I will also regret not having an ice cream sandwhich instead of going to the gym.

Injuries and upsets happen, there is rarely a case where you've made all the right moves in retrospect. Hindsight is awesome like that.

[Fafnir]

If Shane Battier and Chris Wilcox at his age can get a full mini-MLE then Ray is at the very least going to have a ton of offers at that level.

The full sized MLE would depend on what teams are below the luxury tax. I think he'd get offers like that for a single year, multiple years is far less likely.

[indeedproceed]

Probably will not happen, but there's a chance that Ray doesn't come back for the playoffs.  There's a chance we get swept in the 1st round.  If either or both of those things happen, we'll be kicking ourselves for not trading him when we had a chance.

If a meteor hits my apartment tonight I will also regret not having an ice cream sandwhich instead of going to the gym.

Injuries and upsets happen, there is rarely a case where you've made all the right moves in retrospect. Hindsight is awesome like that.

You know what guys? I think I'm gonna have an ice cream sandwich instead of going to the gym tonight.

[slamtheking]

Probably will not happen, but there's a chance that Ray doesn't come back for the playoffs.  There's a chance we get swept in the 1st round.  If either or both of those things happen, we'll be kicking ourselves for not trading him when we had a chance.

If a meteor hits my apartment tonight I will also regret not having an ice cream sandwhich instead of going to the gym.

Soooo, you want to be at your apartment when the meteor hits? 

I would think that'd be the one time you'd prefer being at the gym

[jambr380]

Probably will not happen, but there's a chance that Ray doesn't come back for the playoffs.  There's a chance we get swept in the 1st round.  If either or both of those things happen, we'll be kicking ourselves for not trading him when we had a chance.

If a meteor hits my apartment tonight I will also regret not having an ice cream sandwhich instead of going to the gym.

Injuries and upsets happen, there is rarely a case where you've made all the right moves in retrospect. Hindsight is awesome like that.

You know what guys? I think I'm gonna have an ice cream sandwich instead of going to the gym tonight.

Bummer, I just got back from the gym. I wish I had read this thread earlier.

I am all for a sign and trade with Ray. I would love to have him come back for cheap, but if that's not a possibility, I think there are a number of options that would sure up our bench. We aren't trading Rondo, we are trading our 5th-7th best player.