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Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2012, 10:27:24 AM »

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Diaw's the best option in the buyout market: the only real two-way player.  Healthy, capable of absorbing a lot of minutes at multiple positions, tremendously versatile skillset.

Really hoping he lands here.  One of my favorite players, though his weight gain has tempered my affection.
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Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2012, 10:36:47 AM »

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RT @valdu08: Parker has a radio show every monday night, he made it very clear that Diaw was on his way to SA.

Tony Parker seems to think he is going to San Antonio....
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Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2012, 10:38:02 AM »

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Diaw's the best option in the buyout market: the only real two-way player.  Healthy, capable of absorbing a lot of minutes at multiple positions, tremendously versatile skillset.

Really hoping he lands here.  One of my favorite players, though his weight gain has tempered my affection.

I agree.  He's not exactly what we need in terms of rebounding and size, but he's far and away the most skilled player out there (assuming Kaman doesn't get bought out).  

And let's not forget that we won the '08 title with Posey and Garnett closing games out at the 4/5.  Rebounding was a problem that they overcame with spacing and defense, so it's not a bad path to go now with Diaw.  
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Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2012, 10:39:16 AM »

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RT @valdu08: Parker has a radio show every monday night, he made it very clear that Diaw was on his way to SA.

Tony Parker seems to think he is going to San Antonio....

Huge acquisition for the Spurs

Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 10:39:46 AM »

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RT @valdu08: Parker has a radio show every monday night, he made it very clear that Diaw was on his way to SA.

Tony Parker seems to think he is going to San Antonio....


[dang] it, it's over no one wants to join the old 3....


Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2012, 10:44:45 AM »

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RT @valdu08: Parker has a radio show every monday night, he made it very clear that Diaw was on his way to SA.

Tony Parker seems to think he is going to San Antonio....

Huge acquisition for the Spurs

In more ways than one....

Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 10:48:43 AM »

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Diaw is Parker's best man, they're close friends.

Parker didn't exactly say Diaw was going to San Antonio, only said the normal stuff you expect to hear in such situations. Still, if Pop is willing to sit down Bonner, it makes a lot of sense for them.

Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2012, 10:51:49 AM »

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Hopefully the C's get him, he's been pretty bad this year but I'd rather have a flexible big man like him than 7 foot plodders like Hollins/Kryl. Though getting two of the three is probably our best case scenario no matter which ones.

Yeah, I know a lot of fans are rooting for Reggie Evans, but I like the Diaw / Hollins combo.

I'd still prefer Evans to Diaw, but Diaw is certainly a decent backup opotion

Evans is clearly a better rebounder, but he's much worse on offense, much worse at passing, and much worse on defense.

I haven't read up on it, but why is a playoff contender cutting a rotation player like Evans, anyway?  The Clips must not be terribly enamored by his contributions.

Yeah Roy i've been wondering the same thing, and i can't find anything on it.  Looked through some Clips blogs/fan sites and most people are irate at the very notion of an Evans buyout. 

I mean when he's not rebounding he's not contributing, but he's definitely played his role well this year in LA.

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Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2012, 10:59:36 AM »

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I would snag him and hollins. I would be ok with that.

Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2012, 11:01:06 AM »

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So can we offer him more money than the Spurs?
I doubt we can because we are already over the cap, even if we cut JO and Wilcox.
So if the Spurs can offer him more money we don't stand a chance.
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Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2012, 11:03:55 AM »

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The Spurs are over the cap too.

Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2012, 11:08:09 AM »

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Get pietrus to make a push for him and have the wild frenchmen coming off the bench

Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2012, 11:12:29 AM »

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The front page's level of analysis on this is disappointing: preferring Ryan Hollins and Fesenko over Diaw? 

The San Antonio angle is interesting.  Diaw wouldn't see many minutes for them unless they want to kick Matt Bonner out of the rotation.
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Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2012, 11:21:18 AM »

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The front page's level of analysis on this is disappointing: preferring Ryan Hollins and Fesenko over Diaw? 

The San Antonio angle is interesting.  Diaw wouldn't see many minutes for them unless they want to kick Matt Bonner out of the rotation.

Here's ESPN's anaylisis on him...

"As proof, here's John Hollinger's scouting report that harps on the conditioning issues:

Whoever wrote that French people don't get fat clearly never went to a Bobcats game. Although Diaw's conditioning has had surprisingly little effect on his game, he's clearly been living large of late. It hasn't affected his hunger for passing, however, as he led all power forwards in Pure Point Rating and assist ratio. Diaw eats up small defenders on the left block, where he has a nice right-handed jump hook shot, but the hard part is persuading him to shoot. He averaged just 13.3 points per 40 minutes, even though he's become a decent mid-range shooter that hit 44.6 percent of his long 2s last season and shot 34.5 percent on 3s. He chews up most big men off the dribble, too, with his superior ballhandling skills, but in spite of all that he finished below the league average for power forwards in usage rate. His rebounding famine is another problem. While Diaw has advantages in most respects at the power forward spot, he rebounds like a wing. His conditioning is part of the issue, plus he's not a leaper and he's a bit undersized. He was second-to-last among power forwards in rebound rate at a pathetic 9.0.

* Final thought: Like every big man we've examined in this space, Diaw is flawed. But he's probably also the most talented overall (the question is simply if his next team can get that talent out of him). He's not the best rebounder and he can't run the floor -- two troubling aspets if you're the Celtics. But for a team desperate for big men, to get one with talented would be a quality haul.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4691154/should-the-cs-consider-boris-diaw#more


Re: Boris Diaw bought out
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2012, 11:29:07 AM »

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The front page's level of analysis on this is disappointing: preferring Ryan Hollins and Fesenko over Diaw? 

The San Antonio angle is interesting.  Diaw wouldn't see many minutes for them unless they want to kick Matt Bonner out of the rotation.

Here's ESPN's anaylisis on him...

"As proof, here's John Hollinger's scouting report that harps on the conditioning issues:

Whoever wrote that French people don't get fat clearly never went to a Bobcats game. Although Diaw's conditioning has had surprisingly little effect on his game, he's clearly been living large of late. It hasn't affected his hunger for passing, however, as he led all power forwards in Pure Point Rating and assist ratio. Diaw eats up small defenders on the left block, where he has a nice right-handed jump hook shot, but the hard part is persuading him to shoot. He averaged just 13.3 points per 40 minutes, even though he's become a decent mid-range shooter that hit 44.6 percent of his long 2s last season and shot 34.5 percent on 3s. He chews up most big men off the dribble, too, with his superior ballhandling skills, but in spite of all that he finished below the league average for power forwards in usage rate. His rebounding famine is another problem. While Diaw has advantages in most respects at the power forward spot, he rebounds like a wing. His conditioning is part of the issue, plus he's not a leaper and he's a bit undersized. He was second-to-last among power forwards in rebound rate at a pathetic 9.0.

* Final thought: Like every big man we've examined in this space, Diaw is flawed. But he's probably also the most talented overall (the question is simply if his next team can get that talent out of him). He's not the best rebounder and he can't run the floor -- two troubling aspets if you're the Celtics. But for a team desperate for big men, to get one with talented would be a quality haul.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4691154/should-the-cs-consider-boris-diaw#more


Usage is a flawed metric.  Diaw does a lot with the ball at the PF, he just passes instead of shoots.  Usage rate doesn't reflect that.

And Diaw doesn't need to run the floor to be an effective transition weapon.  His handle and court vision allow him to find others on the break.  Right now Bradley and Dooling motor it up the floor but are blind to any facilitating opportunities.  Diaw would make guys like Bradley and Pietrus more effective transition weapons.
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