KG hate: Jealousy or justified?

[greenlion]

i'd take. KG over duncan anytime..not fake at all...like any team sport, duncan was given the pieces needed to win it all earlier on unlike KG..

[garz]

Duncan or Kg that's a tough one. My first reaction was to go with Timmy D. When I think about it I think they are pretty similar in their principles, even though their personalities seem really different.

How about a team with both KG and Duncan that would be legendary.

I wouldn't have a problem with KG haters if they were just honest about why they hate him. Most of them are full of it. Just be honest then you don't lose all your credibility.

[Eja117]

KG = LeBron

You have to respect his basketball talent and his desire and passion for the game...but his personality just outweighs that for most people.

I think I can agree with that.  I also wonder if there are some people that have issues with him being the first guy that skipped college (in the modern era) and that he did it due to grades issues

[bfrombleacher]

KG = LeBron

You have to respect his basketball talent and his desire and passion for the game...but his personality just outweighs that for most people.

I think I can agree with that.  I also wonder if there are some people that have issues with him being the first guy that skipped college (in the modern era) and that he did it due to grades issues

He takes the game really seriously and shows it with his insane intensity. I respect it and I think that's what some people hate. Off the court he's okay.

LeBron is accused of a lot of things. The two things I honestly can say I don't like about him is that he screwed Cleveland on national TV (but I guess his PR guys is the real person to blame) and that he mocked Dirk. People also accuse him of not being a competitor but I don't think he has to be as fierce as KG, he can let his game speak for him. Fake coughing though is uncool.

[Eja117]

I think there is a huge huge world of difference between Lebron and KG personality wise.  My understanding is KG doesn't travel with an army of people and doesn't have handlers where you can't talk to him directly. I don't understand why people accept that.  Oh sure I'll talk to you so you can talk to Lebron. Yeah, I don't think so.

[CelticG1]

A lot of stuff there:

1.  I absolutely do not think KG is a fake tough guy;

2.  I absolutely do think that KG is a bully who picks his targets;

3.  I would definitely start a franchise with Duncan over KG;

4.  I agree that if KG hadn't gotten injured, he'd have at least two rings right now.

I disagree with 1, KG is a fake tough guy, which is why he picks his targets.  A real tough guy is tough with everyone not just random rookies and young players.  I've also seen KG back down when challenged.  Definition of a fake tough guy if you ask me.

I'd like to think 4 is correct, but I'm not so sure the Celtics beat the Lakers when the Lakers have a healthy Andrew Bynum. 

How does he pick his targets? Are you just going to cite examples that fit your argument and ignore the rest?

Also who did he back down from and what is your definition of backing down? Not starting a fist fight? Not pulling out a knife? Not meeting the guy in the parking lot? Not starting a twitter war? Just give me the multiple times kg has "backed down" wed all love to hear them

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-garnettvillanueve110310 That article from 2 years ago, is pretty much how KG is perceived across the country.  I live in Ohio and work with a lot of Cavs fans, that is how they perceive him as well.  And frankly, having watched him this closely the last 4 years, I think this perception is well deserved.  KG is a fantastic teammate, a hard worker, and his will to win is unquestioned, but he is also a bully and he has been for as long as I can remember. 

Here are plenty more articles on it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/517975-kevin-garnett-is-he-big-bad-bully-or-just-a-trash-talking-teddy-bear

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/990954-kevin-garnett-video-watch-celtics-star-use-bully-tactics

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-16/sports/29461341_1_knicks-paul-pierce-kendrick-perkins

http://www.hoopsjournal.com/2011/01/29/the-dirtiest-player-in-the-game-strikes-again-kg-goes-to-the-groin/

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/04/18/kevin-garnett-nbas-biggest-punk/

You don't get this many articles (and believe me I could go on all day), from this many sources, with as many different players providing quotes and paraphrases (including guys like Wade and Amare) that all claim the same thing, if that isn't his reputation/perception.  And it is the perception because of all the crap Garnett does.  Garnett's reputation is well earned. 

Thank you for pretty much making my point about how perception is different than reality. If you don't want the truth  the whole truth and just want to base your thoughts on some random articles some random people wrote that's awesome.

That's awesome that some random people in Ohio have that perception.  Its kind of like people in Boston have the perception that Kobe rapes women

[Moranis]

A lot of stuff there:

1.  I absolutely do not think KG is a fake tough guy;

2.  I absolutely do think that KG is a bully who picks his targets;

3.  I would definitely start a franchise with Duncan over KG;

4.  I agree that if KG hadn't gotten injured, he'd have at least two rings right now.

I disagree with 1, KG is a fake tough guy, which is why he picks his targets.  A real tough guy is tough with everyone not just random rookies and young players.  I've also seen KG back down when challenged.  Definition of a fake tough guy if you ask me.

I'd like to think 4 is correct, but I'm not so sure the Celtics beat the Lakers when the Lakers have a healthy Andrew Bynum. 

How does he pick his targets? Are you just going to cite examples that fit your argument and ignore the rest?

Also who did he back down from and what is your definition of backing down? Not starting a fist fight? Not pulling out a knife? Not meeting the guy in the parking lot? Not starting a twitter war? Just give me the multiple times kg has "backed down" wed all love to hear them

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-garnettvillanueve110310 That article from 2 years ago, is pretty much how KG is perceived across the country.  I live in Ohio and work with a lot of Cavs fans, that is how they perceive him as well.  And frankly, having watched him this closely the last 4 years, I think this perception is well deserved.  KG is a fantastic teammate, a hard worker, and his will to win is unquestioned, but he is also a bully and he has been for as long as I can remember. 

Here are plenty more articles on it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/517975-kevin-garnett-is-he-big-bad-bully-or-just-a-trash-talking-teddy-bear

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/990954-kevin-garnett-video-watch-celtics-star-use-bully-tactics

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-16/sports/29461341_1_knicks-paul-pierce-kendrick-perkins

http://www.hoopsjournal.com/2011/01/29/the-dirtiest-player-in-the-game-strikes-again-kg-goes-to-the-groin/

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/04/18/kevin-garnett-nbas-biggest-punk/

You don't get this many articles (and believe me I could go on all day), from this many sources, with as many different players providing quotes and paraphrases (including guys like Wade and Amare) that all claim the same thing, if that isn't his reputation/perception.  And it is the perception because of all the crap Garnett does.  Garnett's reputation is well earned. 

Thank you for pretty much making my point about how perception is different than reality. If you don't want the truth  the whole truth and just want to base your thoughts on some random articles some random people wrote that's awesome.

That's awesome that some random people in Ohio have that perception.  Its kind of like people in Boston have the perception that Kobe rapes women

Kobe essentially admitted he raped a woman.   

I watch Celtic games and have for years.  I've seen enough personally to know that Garnett is a bully.  My perception matches that of pretty much the majority of the country and many many players actually in the league. 

[BballTim]

A lot of stuff there:

1.  I absolutely do not think KG is a fake tough guy;

2.  I absolutely do think that KG is a bully who picks his targets;

3.  I would definitely start a franchise with Duncan over KG;

4.  I agree that if KG hadn't gotten injured, he'd have at least two rings right now.

I disagree with 1, KG is a fake tough guy, which is why he picks his targets.  A real tough guy is tough with everyone not just random rookies and young players.  I've also seen KG back down when challenged.  Definition of a fake tough guy if you ask me.

I'd like to think 4 is correct, but I'm not so sure the Celtics beat the Lakers when the Lakers have a healthy Andrew Bynum. 

How does he pick his targets? Are you just going to cite examples that fit your argument and ignore the rest?

Also who did he back down from and what is your definition of backing down? Not starting a fist fight? Not pulling out a knife? Not meeting the guy in the parking lot? Not starting a twitter war? Just give me the multiple times kg has "backed down" wed all love to hear them

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-garnettvillanueve110310 That article from 2 years ago, is pretty much how KG is perceived across the country.  I live in Ohio and work with a lot of Cavs fans, that is how they perceive him as well.  And frankly, having watched him this closely the last 4 years, I think this perception is well deserved.  KG is a fantastic teammate, a hard worker, and his will to win is unquestioned, but he is also a bully and he has been for as long as I can remember. 

Here are plenty more articles on it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/517975-kevin-garnett-is-he-big-bad-bully-or-just-a-trash-talking-teddy-bear

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/990954-kevin-garnett-video-watch-celtics-star-use-bully-tactics

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-16/sports/29461341_1_knicks-paul-pierce-kendrick-perkins

http://www.hoopsjournal.com/2011/01/29/the-dirtiest-player-in-the-game-strikes-again-kg-goes-to-the-groin/

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/04/18/kevin-garnett-nbas-biggest-punk/

You don't get this many articles (and believe me I could go on all day), from this many sources, with as many different players providing quotes and paraphrases (including guys like Wade and Amare) that all claim the same thing, if that isn't his reputation/perception.  And it is the perception because of all the crap Garnett does.  Garnett's reputation is well earned. 

  I read part of the last article you posted (I'm sure they're all pretty similar) and saw this:

  "He slapped everybody's All-American, Tim Duncan, in the head back when he was with the Minnesota Timberwolves. More recently, Garnett got down on all fours to taunt then-rookie Jerryd Bayless, and has been suspended for a game for hitting Andrew Bogut in the head. He's also taunted just about everyone he's gone up against."

  Which is pretty much the opposite of what you've been saying all along.

[Moranis]

A lot of stuff there:

1.  I absolutely do not think KG is a fake tough guy;

2.  I absolutely do think that KG is a bully who picks his targets;

3.  I would definitely start a franchise with Duncan over KG;

4.  I agree that if KG hadn't gotten injured, he'd have at least two rings right now.

I disagree with 1, KG is a fake tough guy, which is why he picks his targets.  A real tough guy is tough with everyone not just random rookies and young players.  I've also seen KG back down when challenged.  Definition of a fake tough guy if you ask me.

I'd like to think 4 is correct, but I'm not so sure the Celtics beat the Lakers when the Lakers have a healthy Andrew Bynum. 

How does he pick his targets? Are you just going to cite examples that fit your argument and ignore the rest?

Also who did he back down from and what is your definition of backing down? Not starting a fist fight? Not pulling out a knife? Not meeting the guy in the parking lot? Not starting a twitter war? Just give me the multiple times kg has "backed down" wed all love to hear them

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-garnettvillanueve110310 That article from 2 years ago, is pretty much how KG is perceived across the country.  I live in Ohio and work with a lot of Cavs fans, that is how they perceive him as well.  And frankly, having watched him this closely the last 4 years, I think this perception is well deserved.  KG is a fantastic teammate, a hard worker, and his will to win is unquestioned, but he is also a bully and he has been for as long as I can remember. 

Here are plenty more articles on it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/517975-kevin-garnett-is-he-big-bad-bully-or-just-a-trash-talking-teddy-bear

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/990954-kevin-garnett-video-watch-celtics-star-use-bully-tactics

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-16/sports/29461341_1_knicks-paul-pierce-kendrick-perkins

http://www.hoopsjournal.com/2011/01/29/the-dirtiest-player-in-the-game-strikes-again-kg-goes-to-the-groin/

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/04/18/kevin-garnett-nbas-biggest-punk/

You don't get this many articles (and believe me I could go on all day), from this many sources, with as many different players providing quotes and paraphrases (including guys like Wade and Amare) that all claim the same thing, if that isn't his reputation/perception.  And it is the perception because of all the crap Garnett does.  Garnett's reputation is well earned. 

  I read part of the last article you posted (I'm sure they're all pretty similar) and saw this:

  "He slapped everybody's All-American, Tim Duncan, in the head back when he was with the Minnesota Timberwolves. More recently, Garnett got down on all fours to taunt then-rookie Jerryd Bayless, and has been suspended for a game for hitting Andrew Bogut in the head. He's also taunted just about everyone he's gone up against."

  Which is pretty much the opposite of what you've been saying all along.

No it isn't.

[BballTim]

A lot of stuff there:

1.  I absolutely do not think KG is a fake tough guy;

2.  I absolutely do think that KG is a bully who picks his targets;

3.  I would definitely start a franchise with Duncan over KG;

4.  I agree that if KG hadn't gotten injured, he'd have at least two rings right now.

I disagree with 1, KG is a fake tough guy, which is why he picks his targets.  A real tough guy is tough with everyone not just random rookies and young players.  I've also seen KG back down when challenged.  Definition of a fake tough guy if you ask me.

I'd like to think 4 is correct, but I'm not so sure the Celtics beat the Lakers when the Lakers have a healthy Andrew Bynum. 

How does he pick his targets? Are you just going to cite examples that fit your argument and ignore the rest?

Also who did he back down from and what is your definition of backing down? Not starting a fist fight? Not pulling out a knife? Not meeting the guy in the parking lot? Not starting a twitter war? Just give me the multiple times kg has "backed down" wed all love to hear them

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-garnettvillanueve110310 That article from 2 years ago, is pretty much how KG is perceived across the country.  I live in Ohio and work with a lot of Cavs fans, that is how they perceive him as well.  And frankly, having watched him this closely the last 4 years, I think this perception is well deserved.  KG is a fantastic teammate, a hard worker, and his will to win is unquestioned, but he is also a bully and he has been for as long as I can remember. 

Here are plenty more articles on it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/517975-kevin-garnett-is-he-big-bad-bully-or-just-a-trash-talking-teddy-bear

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/990954-kevin-garnett-video-watch-celtics-star-use-bully-tactics

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-16/sports/29461341_1_knicks-paul-pierce-kendrick-perkins

http://www.hoopsjournal.com/2011/01/29/the-dirtiest-player-in-the-game-strikes-again-kg-goes-to-the-groin/

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/04/18/kevin-garnett-nbas-biggest-punk/

You don't get this many articles (and believe me I could go on all day), from this many sources, with as many different players providing quotes and paraphrases (including guys like Wade and Amare) that all claim the same thing, if that isn't his reputation/perception.  And it is the perception because of all the crap Garnett does.  Garnett's reputation is well earned. 

  I read part of the last article you posted (I'm sure they're all pretty similar) and saw this:

  "He slapped everybody's All-American, Tim Duncan, in the head back when he was with the Minnesota Timberwolves. More recently, Garnett got down on all fours to taunt then-rookie Jerryd Bayless, and has been suspended for a game for hitting Andrew Bogut in the head. He's also taunted just about everyone he's gone up against."

  Which is pretty much the opposite of what you've been saying all along.

No it isn't.

  Oh, so you've been saying all along that KG taunts everyone he goes against and not just certain players, and that he goes after players like TD as well? I must have misunderstood your posts.

[Moranis]

A lot of stuff there:

1.  I absolutely do not think KG is a fake tough guy;

2.  I absolutely do think that KG is a bully who picks his targets;

3.  I would definitely start a franchise with Duncan over KG;

4.  I agree that if KG hadn't gotten injured, he'd have at least two rings right now.

I disagree with 1, KG is a fake tough guy, which is why he picks his targets.  A real tough guy is tough with everyone not just random rookies and young players.  I've also seen KG back down when challenged.  Definition of a fake tough guy if you ask me.

I'd like to think 4 is correct, but I'm not so sure the Celtics beat the Lakers when the Lakers have a healthy Andrew Bynum. 

How does he pick his targets? Are you just going to cite examples that fit your argument and ignore the rest?

Also who did he back down from and what is your definition of backing down? Not starting a fist fight? Not pulling out a knife? Not meeting the guy in the parking lot? Not starting a twitter war? Just give me the multiple times kg has "backed down" wed all love to hear them

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-garnettvillanueve110310 That article from 2 years ago, is pretty much how KG is perceived across the country.  I live in Ohio and work with a lot of Cavs fans, that is how they perceive him as well.  And frankly, having watched him this closely the last 4 years, I think this perception is well deserved.  KG is a fantastic teammate, a hard worker, and his will to win is unquestioned, but he is also a bully and he has been for as long as I can remember. 

Here are plenty more articles on it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/517975-kevin-garnett-is-he-big-bad-bully-or-just-a-trash-talking-teddy-bear

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/990954-kevin-garnett-video-watch-celtics-star-use-bully-tactics

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-16/sports/29461341_1_knicks-paul-pierce-kendrick-perkins

http://www.hoopsjournal.com/2011/01/29/the-dirtiest-player-in-the-game-strikes-again-kg-goes-to-the-groin/

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/04/18/kevin-garnett-nbas-biggest-punk/

You don't get this many articles (and believe me I could go on all day), from this many sources, with as many different players providing quotes and paraphrases (including guys like Wade and Amare) that all claim the same thing, if that isn't his reputation/perception.  And it is the perception because of all the crap Garnett does.  Garnett's reputation is well earned. 

  I read part of the last article you posted (I'm sure they're all pretty similar) and saw this:

  "He slapped everybody's All-American, Tim Duncan, in the head back when he was with the Minnesota Timberwolves. More recently, Garnett got down on all fours to taunt then-rookie Jerryd Bayless, and has been suspended for a game for hitting Andrew Bogut in the head. He's also taunted just about everyone he's gone up against."

  Which is pretty much the opposite of what you've been saying all along.

No it isn't.

  Oh, so you've been saying all along that KG taunts everyone he goes against and not just certain players, and that he goes after players like TD as well? I must have misunderstood your posts.

I don't recall exactly which season it was, but based on KG's teammates in Youtube video it was either 98-99 or 99-00, which were Duncan's first two years in the league. 

[drza44]

 Oh, so you've been saying all along that KG taunts everyone he goes against and not just certain players, and that he goes after players like TD as well? I must have misunderstood your posts.

I don't recall exactly which season it was, but based on KG's teammates in Youtube video it was either 98-99 or 99-00, which were Duncan's first two years in the league.  

Good point (outside of Duncan being drafted in '97, which makes your math not add up).  Either way, how dare one 23-year old 7-footer get into it with another 23 year old 7-footer.  Obviously a bully that only picks on youngsters that are smaller than him.

Oh, and here's KG doing his thing with a couple of more rookies and little men...

Dwight Howard:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erqg1ZLt_VA

Amare Stoudemire:



"Kevin Garnett and Amare Stoudemire had some very physical play throughout, with elbows and shoves the norm. The referees had to call a tighter game lest things spiral out of control. Garnett and Stoudemire shouted at each other throughout, two alpha-dogs sizing one another up" -- http://ezinearticles.com/?NBA---Garnett-Amare-Almost-Fight-As-Phoenix-Cracks-Boston-Celtics,-85-77&id=1004290

But again, don't let facts get in the way of a good argument, right?

[Onslaught]

I agree with a few of the things he had to say. However.......

"He’s a fraud. He can criticize all the younger kids and if he got something to say, call them and talk to them before you just blast them."

Um, this coming from a  guy who's blasting three guys and I'm sure he didn't call them beforehand.
pot-kettle-black

[Army_of_One_Nation]

It's not like many people liked Oakley, either. And this, coming from a dude who got a "BEATDOWN" at Vegas. 

[greenlion]

whiners, nobody but nobody in the NBA can measure up to what intensity KG brings into the court, that said, everybody can say what they want..