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Dynamics of a perfect nba team
« on: February 14, 2012, 04:09:33 PM »

Offline CFAN38

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With all the talks of trades and building for the future I got thinking. What does your ideal NBA team look like at each position.

PG..at least 6'2 above average on ball defender, smart passer, above average ft and 3pt shooter.Either post up or penetration ability. ideal from last 10 years not including super stars [C Billups,]

SG..at least average size, great 3pt shooter, can work off screens ideal [K Kittles, R Hamilton]

SF..6'7+ with above average length,above average defender at multiple positions,average 3pt shooter. [T Prince,L Deng]

PF..6'9+ who can guard both post positions at high level, at least average re bounder(8+ per game as starter), above average in pick and role and pick and pop, and good finisher above rim. [L Aldridge, R Wallace]

C..Shot blocker,above average rebounder, decent passer out of post. [M Gasol,B Miller] 

EDIT TO ADD BENCH
6th man.. scoring 1/2, high energy, spark off bench [B Jackson, J Flynn]

7th man.. 6'5 +  2/3, can guard multiple positions,[B Bown,T Sefolosha]

8th man.. PF hustle guy, typically undersized [L Powe,BBD,C Anderson]

9th man.. 6'10 + center, big guy who fills the lane [A Gray,E Dampier, D Diop]

10th man.. shooting specialist [S Novack, S Kerr, etc]
« Last Edit: February 15, 2012, 02:44:28 PM by CFAN38 »
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Re: Dynamics of a perfect nba team
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2012, 04:13:17 PM »

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so the 03-04 championship pistons were the perfect team? maybe some better examples for starters ad include the bench.
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Re: Dynamics of a perfect nba team
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 04:36:37 PM »

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Actually, in my opinion, this is pretty accurate if we're talking about the perfect team with no superstars. The '04 Pistons fit the bill perfectly. And actually, the Bulls of today fit it pretty well, if one ignores the fact that Rose is a star. But if Billups was running the point in Chicago, they'd still be pretty darn good.

The Celtics of today would fit this description if Rondo could shoot. Your PG's ability to shoot is huge - it allows the PG to drive more (and sink subsequent FTs) and opens up space for the other 4 players to operate. That's why it's so frustrating to see that Rondo hasn't significantly improved in that regard.

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2012, 07:37:17 PM »

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Dominant Center, lock-down perimeter defender and some sort of guard who can hit the three consistently. I don't much care how the rest of the team looks.

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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2012, 10:46:51 PM »

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Dominant Center, lock-down perimeter defender and some sort of guard who can hit the three consistently. I don't much care how the rest of the team looks.

So a healthy Andrew Bynum, Tony Allen, and Anthony Morrow and scrubs?

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Everything depends on who your franchise player is.

Generally speaking, an elite big man with a great passing point guard to feed him has been a very good recipe for success in NBA history.  But Jordan, of course, dominated the league for most of a decade as an unstoppable scoring SG with a do-everything SF sidekick and a slew of very talented role players.

Basically, if you've got a superstar, you just need to surround him with players that complement his talents and you have a good chance of great success.
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Dominant Center, lock-down perimeter defender and some sort of guard who can hit the three consistently. I don't much care how the rest of the team looks.

So a healthy Andrew Bynum, Tony Allen, and Anthony Morrow and scrubs?
Dominant center as in Dwight Howard, and guard who can hit the three as in Ray Allen.

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 11:01:00 PM »

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Dominant Center, lock-down perimeter defender and some sort of guard who can hit the three consistently. I don't much care how the rest of the team looks.

So a healthy Andrew Bynum, Tony Allen, and Anthony Morrow and scrubs?
Dominant center as in Dwight Howard, and guard who can hit the three as in Ray Allen.

I believe the Magic tried that for a while now.

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 01:37:52 AM »

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To me, ideally everyone is both tall and fast for their position.  If not, they should be at least tall OR fast.  I think height is undervalued by both Doc and Danny, and speed is not necessarily regarded much either.

You need a couple to be good/great shooters and a couple to be good ball handlers.

Other than that I think its about the mental side of the game: how well players work together, their work ethic, their response to pressure and adversity, their mental processing of the game.  This seems to be where both Doc and Danny are most discriminating.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 01:39:49 AM »

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Starters:
-One superstar at any position who can score at a high efficiency in isolation situations and pass out of a double team (Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Dirk, Pau, Chris Paul, Wade)

-Good 3-point shooters at the 1-3 positions and no defensive liabilities.  If superstar is a big, one of these 3 players needs to be above average at scoring.

-At least one lockdown wing defender at the 2-3 position (can be superstar, can be raja bell, bruce bowen, tayshaun prince)

-At least one lockdown post defender at the 4-5 position (could be superstar, could be Perk, Varejao, KG, old Ben Wallace, Sheed, Tyson Chandler)

Bench:
-A pg who can create his own offense if necessary (Nate, Troy Hudson, Goran Dragic, Jannero Pargo that one game)
-One electric scorer (Jamal Crawford, JR Smith, Jason Terry, but doesn't particularly need to be a guard)
-A high-energy big man who can crash the offensive glass against tired starters on other team and is not a complete defensive liability (Hickson, Bass, Ibaka, Amir Johnson, Blair)
-A very solid defensive big man (Kurt Thomas, PJ Brown

That's my 9 man primary rotation


PG - Kyle Lowry / Troy Hudson (back with Orlando)
SG - Raja Bell (5 years ago) / Jason Terry
SF - Iguodala / Mikael Pietrus
PF - Duncan (5 years ago) / Hickson
C - Tyson Chandler / PJ Brown (5 years ago)

I think that team could be very possible to assemble.  If that's too strong of a team, replace Iguodala with a lesser player like Tayshaun Prince (3 years ago).
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2012, 01:40:55 AM »

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Or....

PG - Jeremy Lin
SG - Player A
SF - Player B
PF - Player C
C - Player D

But, that'd just be unfair  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2012, 02:50:16 PM »

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to me building a team means creating a unit that works well together on the court. The current idea of just throwing super stars on the court will win a franchise games and likely(the heat) championships. But the game of basketball suffers. Watching "The association" George Karl said he thinks a team with a good bench and a top ten player at each position can beat a team with 3 super stars and weak supporting cast. This was his statement after his team beat the heat early in the season. The 03 Pistons where this kind of team. Moving forward I would love a Cs team where we are talking every year how 4 of our starters got ripped off by not making the all-star game. Give me 5 should be all-stars and a good bench vs 3 super stars any day. At least win or lose you have a good TEAM.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 03:02:17 PM »

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to me building a team means creating a unit that works well together on the court. The current idea of just throwing super stars on the court will win a franchise games and likely(the heat) championships. But the game of basketball suffers. Watching "The association" George Karl said he thinks a team with a good bench and a top ten player at each position can beat a team with 3 super stars and weak supporting cast. This was his statement after his team beat the heat early in the season. The 03 Pistons where this kind of team. Moving forward I would love a Cs team where we are talking every year how 4 of our starters got ripped off by not making the all-star game. Give me 5 should be all-stars and a good bench vs 3 super stars any day. At least win or lose you have a good TEAM.

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Nice post....
Let's not forget that Dallas beat the Heat with 1 Superstar
going against two super duper stars and a third all-star.....

The Grizzlies were a deep team who threatened last year.....

I'm tired of star talk and
landing Chris, Dwight, Deron, etc....
These guys have yet to win titles....great players all, but you need a team.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 03:13:10 PM »

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Looking at young players in the league, who could be put together and grown into a possible contender if all met close to there potential.

pg J Holiday
sg OJ Mayo
sf N Batum
PF R Anderson
C O Asik

6th J Flynn
7th T Sefolosha
8th K Faried
9th G Steimsma
10th Novack
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Step one: Draft a top 5 player.

Step two:  Draft a top 25 player that fits with top 5 player.

Step three:  Draft a 2nd top 25 player that fits with top 5 player.


Step four:  Fill the rest of the roster will role players that fit.