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Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2012, 08:14:15 PM »

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I have gone from being furious to just plain convulsions of laughter at the East picks.

I missed what Kenny said about the coaches? Can anyone summarize it for me?

I am just sitting here wondering how the West got it so right and the East got it so horribly wrong.


No, no, no. There is a Phoenix Sun on the Western All-Star team. They're 12th in the West right now, which is comparatively worse than the 11th ranked Eastern Conference team, the New Jersey Nets. Thus, Steve Nash is awful.

Steve Nash leads the NBA in assists on a terrible team. Deron Williams leads the league in turnovers. Compare that.

THIS!

You cannot compare Steve Nash to Deron Williams. He's STEVE NASH. A future HOFer. Come on.

Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2012, 08:22:27 PM »

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THIS!

You cannot compare Steve Nash to Deron Williams. He's STEVE NASH. A future HOFer. Come on.

Did I transport to some alternate Universe where Deron Williams isn't a star player?

Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2012, 08:23:12 PM »

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Williams > Rondo
Bosh > 35 y/o Garnett

Being a fan doesn't mean you have to be bias. Pierce was the only Celtic that deserved to go. Rondo probably would've made it had he not been injured, still doesn't mean he's better than Williams btw. KG is an all NBA defender, but his offense is role player level. Ray is crazy efficient, but he's not a dynamic all star type player.

Nothing to complain about, IMHO.

Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2012, 08:28:35 PM »

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Williams > Rondo
Bosh > 35 y/o Garnett

Being a fan doesn't mean you have to be bias. Pierce was the only Celtic that deserved to go. Rondo probably would've made it had he not been injured, still doesn't mean he's better than Williams btw. KG is an all NBA defender, but his offense is role player level. Ray is crazy efficient, but he's not a dynamic all star type player.

Nothing to complain about, IMHO.

I agree that Bosh is currently better than Garnett.

Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2012, 08:32:34 PM »

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THIS!

You cannot compare Steve Nash to Deron Williams. He's STEVE NASH. A future HOFer. Come on.

Did I transport to some alternate Universe where Deron Williams isn't a star player?

Nope, just on Celticsblog where Deron Williams is nothing special and Rondo is always better.

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« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2012, 08:42:38 PM »

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If Rondo plays with a chip on his shoulder because he feels snubbed and wants to prove he is an All-Star, would he elevate his play or would he be in the realm of "trying too hard" to the point of being counter-productive?
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Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2012, 09:21:03 PM »

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Let em' rest.

It's all good.

Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2012, 09:22:33 PM »

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Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2012, 09:29:35 PM »

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Emphasis on winning gone with Williams' All-Star selection?


By Steve Aschburner, NBA.com
Posted Feb 9 2012 9:21PM

The coaches of the Eastern Conference either did a great service or a whopping disservice to the selection of future NBA All-Star reserves.

Depending on how you want to frame it, they either broke with a phony tradition that was largely of their own making or they muddied things for the guys who will pick the All-Star backups in coming years.

They chose a player whose team has an 8-19 record. They chose New Jersey Nets guard Deron Williams

Good luck applying lofty standards or imposing arbitrary cutoffs now, coaches. By taking a name player having a swell individual season on a team that has lost 70 percent of its games, they have opened the door to every "fake superstar," as Charles Barkley referred to it during the selection-announcement show Thursday evening, jacking up an extra shot or padding some other category at the butt end of a nothing game.

Reward winning. Reward winning. That's what we get from the coaches all the time. It's an agenda pushed in large part to make their jobs simpler -- not just the task of choosing seven All-Stars reserves but their real, hard day jobs of coaching players who don't always list "team success" high among their personal priorities.

Sure, it's easier to say "this guy's in" and "that guy's out" when you can point to something tangible like their respective teams' records. But the coaches probably are committed less to rewarding good players from winning teams than they are to not rewarding talented guys playing on losers. Those are the players who can make their lives miserable if they start walking around with the validation of "All-Star" even though their team has flatlined since the third week of the season.

Now, just to be clear on this, Williams isn't that guy. He was an All-Star on Utah teams in 2010 and '11 that went a combined 91-73 while he was there. His personal W-L record, into his eighth NBA season now, is 67 games over .500. We really aren't even trying to pick on him.

But his team is 8-19. Williams hasn't done enough -- for whatever reason, and there surely are several, including Nets injuries -- to elevate that team, despite earning franchise-guy money ($16.3 million this season) and expecting franchise-guy treatment while he ponders his options for free agency this season.

Meanwhile, the East has a bushel of maybe-deserving players who did not make it on the All-Star roster despite playing for more successful teams. Like Josh Smith. Or Rajon Rondo. Or Brandon Jennings. Or Anderson Varejao. Since there are only four teams with records worse than New Jersey's, it figures the list would be lengthy.

"I'm not taking a guy from an 8-19 team when I can take a guy from a .500 team," Charles Barkley said on the TNT set Thursday. And the funny thing is, that used to the be exact rationale tossed out by coaches as their ballots came due.

Kenny Smith, Barkley's TV cohort, pushed a "reward winning" agenda so passionately, you'd have thought he had his eye on a coaching vacancy. "It's easy to score on a bad team," Smith said. "It's easy to do it because the game doesn't matter."

Williams is the only player in the NBA averaging at least 20.0 points and 8.0 assists. But then, the Nets used to have a guy who hit those numbers with little impact otherwise, and we all know how it has gone for Stephon Marbury.

New York's Carmelo Anthony (11-15), voted in by the fans, and Phoenix's Steve Nash (11-14), a West reserve, were the only other players from losing teams to be invited to Orlando for the big Sunday game. Just to see how well the "reward winning" criterion was applied, we added up the records of the All-Star starters' and reserves' teams. Here is the breakdown, by winning percentage:

• East starters: 87-45, .659
• East reserves: 115-63, .646
• West starters: 78-43, .645
• West reserves: 104-77, .575

So it's not like Williams and his Nets baggage weighed down the East reserves too badly. Ditto on Anthony and Nash in their groups. But the coaches seem to have given up the right to hide behind team records next year and beyond, haven't they? Plenty of people will argue that's what the playoffs are for anyway; qualifying for the postseason is the team reward for winning.

If that was the approach, All-Star games could be all razzle and dazzle, alley and oop, with maybe a little bit of fame and lifetime-achievement mixed in. But please, coaches, get your stories straight.

Special congrats to first-time All-Stars Andre Iguodala, Roy Hibbert and Luol Deng among the East selections.

http://www.nba.com/2012/allstar/2012/02/09/east-reserves/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2012, 09:30:47 PM »

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Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2012, 11:44:54 PM »

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Danny Granger, and Pierce both made it in the past despite being on a losing team (I doubt they were the first "losers" to make it). Why? Because they were clearly all-star caliber players. Deron Williams is clearly and all-star caliber player and this is maybe he's proven that he can lead a winner in the past. IMO, the article isn't worth the read.

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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2012, 11:48:05 PM »

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Pierce greatly deserves it. I honestly dont think ray and rondo deserved the spot this year, I mean the Celts have been on a tear without Rondo and he has missed too many games. I dont think Williams should have got a spot hwever...He has had an awful start to his year. Glad to see Iggy make the squad. Hes having a good year.

Re: Paul Pierce gets 10th All Star Selection-Rondo, Allen snubbed.
« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2012, 12:01:00 AM »

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EDIT: Also don't rule out injury replacements.  Ray's gotten in at least once that way that I can remember.

Ray Allen was David Stern's pet injury replacement pick for his last year in Seattle and first 2-3 All-Star teams he made with Boston. Last year he got voted in by the Coaches.

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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2012, 12:07:37 AM »

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Melo has inherited Vince Cater's all-star torch.

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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2012, 12:11:18 AM »

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Melo has inherited Vince Cater's all-star torch.

You mean getting voted in by the Fans just because he does 'awesome dunks'? Isn't that Blake Griffin's current role?