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Offline Sketch5

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I know Dooling is a good player, and DA wanted him here a couple years ago. But Dooling just looks bad at the point, and better at the SG.

When Rondo and Peirce are on the bench the offense slows down quite a bit, and Dooling doesn't seem to know how to run the bench at all. He's at times looked great(against Miami) but some times looks worse than Bradley. I know the year is young, but a vet should at least look like he knows what hes doing out there, and can make plays on the fly. he's had a lot of bad passes and turn overs.

Bradley can't run the point, he's great on defense, but offense is horrible with the exception of the last game. But even then he was playing SG, and not really the point.

Moore is not ready to run the team yet, he looks good, but needs some D league time.

So if Rondo goes down, they might be in trouble unless Dooling figures it out really soon. At least last year West filled in nice. With Pietrus coming into the line up soon. Does DA look to move a couple of the other guards, along with JO for a back up C and PG that will be solid, not great but solid??

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 05:24:45 PM »

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I know Dooling is a good player, and DA wanted him here a couple years ago. But Dooling just looks bad at the point, and better at the SG.

I disagree.  I think Dooling has looked perfectly acceptable as a backup point guard so far.
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I know Dooling is a good player, and DA wanted him here a couple years ago. But Dooling just looks bad at the point, and better at the SG.

I disagree.  I think Dooling has looked perfectly acceptable as a backup point guard so far.

I don't think he has looked as much of a point guard at all. He's been at his best at a backup SG role, particularly when using Pierce as a point forward.

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Is Kenyon Martin a viable "C" candidate after his time in China is over?

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Backing up rondo will make 95% of the pgs in the nba look bad. He is such a unique player and exceptional player that of coarse the style of play will change when he is off the court.

Our second unit needs to just find its identity and Doc needs to manufacture offense with them. With the addition of pietrus i would like to see some lineups of Dooling, Daniels,Pietrus,Bass, and stiemsma. Work daniels on the block against guards and hope he can draw a double team then kick out the open looks.
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Is Kenyon Martin a viable "C" candidate after his time in China is over?
Doesn't really solve the problem germane to this team, we're pretty stacked at the 4, and K-Mart is too small to play the 5. 

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idk, Center is obviously the biggest issue.  Dooling hasn't been around long enough yet for me to say it's time to replace him.  Bradley's proven he can't be effective at this level, but Im still reserving hope Keyon will get it together

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I don't think backup point is that big of a need.
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Frankly, PF is the only spot where I'm comfortable with the current backup.  Pietrus may be that guy at SF.
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Frankly, PF is the only spot where I'm comfortable with the current backup.  Pietrus may be that guy at SF.

Yeah.  I also love Dooling, but I like him more as the backup SG than PG.  But at the same time, I don't think the need is nearly as big as it seems right now.  I think as they get more practice together, the second unit is going to get significantly better offensively. 

The other problem is that there aren't that many quality backup PGs out there.  So, an upgrade won't be very easy to find.

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I dont think the issue is position related  but rather personnel related.

The main issue is simply, the 2nd unit (entire bench) doesn't have anyone who can create their own offense.
Remember, that would have been Jeff Green.

We simply dont have anyone who can create their own shot when the shot clock is running down, or when the offense breaks down.

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I dont think the issue is position related  but rather personnel related.

The main issue is simply, the 2nd unit (entire bench) doesn't have anyone who can create their own offense.
Remember, that would have been Jeff Green.

We simply dont have anyone who can create their own shot when the shot clock is running down, or when the offense breaks down.

Agreed.  Which will be less of an issue in bigger games, where they are having Rondo and Pierce play more with the second unit, but right now, its a problem.

But I do think this can be solved at least to a point by running more plays, and moving the ball more.  If they get more ball (and player) movement, then it will limit the amount of times they are struggling with the clock running down.

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I dont think the issue is position related  but rather personnel related.

The main issue is simply, the 2nd unit (entire bench) doesn't have anyone who can create their own offense.
Remember, that would have been Jeff Green.

We simply dont have anyone who can create their own shot when the shot clock is running down, or when the offense breaks down.

Completely agree. This is where Green is missed the most. The bench should never be out there without Pierce ray or KG though. I'm hoping Pietrus can bring a little shot making abilities of the bench
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I think ball movement is the key with just about any offense, but especially when you have a unit that lacks a guy who can create his own shot and/or penetrate and kick out to create for others. If the second unit gets some good motion going on offense, that could very well open up a cutting Marquis, or Dooling and Pietrus spotting up on the three-point line, or they can run pick and pop for Bass and Stiemsma. They just have to avoid being stagnant.
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I think ball movement is the key with just about any offense, but especially when you have a unit that lacks a guy who can create his own shot and/or penetrate and kick out to create for others. If the second unit gets some good motion going on offense, that could very well open up a cutting Marquis, or Dooling and Pietrus spotting up on the three-point line, or they can run pick and pop for Bass and Stiemsma. They just have to avoid being stagnant.

I love the pick and roll/pop idea.  I am not sure why they don't run more of that.  I don't think Stiemsma has the footwork to pull it off, but both Bass and Wilcox have the skills to be very good pick and roll players.

I really hope one of their new focusses with the second unit will be running the pick and roll  off the elbow with Quisy handling the ball.  He is a very sneaky passer, and should be able to get some things going with those big men.