Westbrook-Durant altercation (Let the Rondo for Westbrook trade ideas begin)

[dark_lord]

rondo > westbrook

[celtsfan84]

The Thunder have no interest in Rondo and they shouldn't.  With Perkins, Ibaka, Rondo on the floor, they would have three non-scorers (or non-shooters, at least), making it far easier to deny Durant the ball, double Durant, etc...  Their floor spacing would be awful.

Let's not forget that part of the reason Rondo has been successful in Green is that the floor is spaced perfectly for him.  He can get anywhere he wants to go.  He is playing with the best shooter of all time and one of the best shooting bigs of all time (and Paul Pierce ain't bad either).

[Bahku]

Let the West-brick for Rondo trade ideas NOT begin ... I've seen enough of them for one year. Let Durant, et al, deal with his attitude and immaturity another few years until he learns to grow up. Don't want him in green now, thanks.

[snively]

Secondly, Rondo is showing C's glimpses of the future. Where he single-handedly dismantled the Cavaliers in 2010. His shooting is coming around. 6 years into his NBA career, Rondo has a lot of room to improve as a player. Last but not least, Sam Presti has gotten the better of Danny Ainge. I would advice DA to stay far away from Sam Presti. Last time those two made a deal, Celtics got fleeced.

If the future is a place where Rondo will put up massive fantasy stats, but we're going to lose, ship him out of town right away. Someone like Mo williams can do that for a fraction of  the cost

Rondo has been asked to be the alpha dog this season, and so far he hasn't gotten it done. The Big 3 may not be viable first options anymore -- but they're still a pretty good supporting cast. Probably better than anything we will be able to put around Rondo for a while.

Rondo's the one who hasn't been getting it done?

And you really think the squad we have out there is great supporting cast?  JO has played like the worst offensive player in the league and his defense has been slow and ineffective.  KG has been extremely disappointing to start.  We get nothing from the 3 position each night.

[kozlodoev]

Secondly, Rondo is showing C's glimpses of the future. Where he single-handedly dismantled the Cavaliers in 2010. His shooting is coming around. 6 years into his NBA career, Rondo has a lot of room to improve as a player. Last but not least, Sam Presti has gotten the better of Danny Ainge. I would advice DA to stay far away from Sam Presti. Last time those two made a deal, Celtics got fleeced.

If the future is a place where Rondo will put up massive fantasy stats, but we're going to lose, ship him out of town right away. Someone like Mo williams can do that for a fraction of  the cost

Rondo has been asked to be the alpha dog this season, and so far he hasn't gotten it done. The Big 3 may not be viable first options anymore -- but they're still a pretty good supporting cast. Probably better than anything we will be able to put around Rondo for a while.

Rondo's the one who hasn't been getting it done?

And you really think the squad we have out there is great supporting cast?  JO has played like the worst offensive player in the league and his defense has been slow and ineffective.  KG has been extremely disappointing to start.  We get nothing from the 3 position each night.

Getting it done = getting a win. So yeah, with this supporting cast Rondo hasn't been getting it done.

And if you think you'll pick up a bunch of roleplayers that will contribute better than Garnet, Allen and Pierce will -- you're delusional.

Pierce/Garnet/Allen on their last legs > average league role-player.

So yeah. Rondo has been a great piece, and his contribution has been amazing when the team didn't live and die by it. But I'm yet to see any indication that he can put the team on his back and carry it to wins with just average supporting cast (see Kobe, Durant in their prime, or Tom Brady in other sports).

In this sense, while he's great to have, you either have to acquire a true franchise player, or ship him for one. I fully understand the management's attempts to achieve this, especially given that we'll probably only be able to get a very-good-but-not-great player through free agency next season.

[indeedproceed]

The Thunder have no interest in Rondo and they shouldn't.  With Perkins, Ibaka, Rondo on the floor, they would have three non-scorers (or non-shooters, at least), making it far easier to deny Durant the ball, double Durant, etc...  Their floor spacing would be awful.

Perkins and Rondo would be non-shooters, but Ibaka can hit a 15ft jumpshot better than most PF's.

[kozlodoev]

The Thunder have no interest in Rondo and they shouldn't.  With Perkins, Ibaka, Rondo on the floor, they would have three non-scorers (or non-shooters, at least), making it far easier to deny Durant the ball, double Durant, etc...  Their floor spacing would be awful.

Perkins and Rondo would be non-shooters, but Ibaka can hit a 15ft jumpshot better than most PF's.

Sefolosha is pretty darn awful in this respect too.

[Moranis]

So Westbrook yells at his teammate to shoot the ball and he is all of a sudden a selfish prick.  Funny.

Well it's not all of a sudden and not the only reason, but it is a definite indication. Selfish doesn't just mean shooting the ball all the time. it means thinking of yourself first, and the fact that Westbrook gets to the point of having an altercation with the by far best player on the team because a guy doesn't shoot when HE passes the ball to him pretty much indicates that this guy is living in his own world.

whoever started the Starbury comparison seems to be right on the money, extremely talented but just off, for whatever reason...it just seems like there is always gonna be some drama around this guy that detracts from the team.

that by far best player started the altercation with Westbrook. 

[indeedproceed]

The Thunder have no interest in Rondo and they shouldn't.  With Perkins, Ibaka, Rondo on the floor, they would have three non-scorers (or non-shooters, at least), making it far easier to deny Durant the ball, double Durant, etc...  Their floor spacing would be awful.

Perkins and Rondo would be non-shooters, but Ibaka can hit a 15ft jumpshot better than most PF's.

Sefolosha is pretty darn awful in this respect too.

True but have you been watching Harden? The guy should be starting on 25 of the 30 NBA teams, at least. That Sefelosha situation will change, likely with sef keeping his starting gig but his minutes further decreasing.

[BballTim]

Secondly, Rondo is showing C's glimpses of the future. Where he single-handedly dismantled the Cavaliers in 2010. His shooting is coming around. 6 years into his NBA career, Rondo has a lot of room to improve as a player. Last but not least, Sam Presti has gotten the better of Danny Ainge. I would advice DA to stay far away from Sam Presti. Last time those two made a deal, Celtics got fleeced.

If the future is a place where Rondo will put up massive fantasy stats, but we're going to lose, ship him out of town right away. Someone like Mo williams can do that for a fraction of  the cost

Rondo has been asked to be the alpha dog this season, and so far he hasn't gotten it done. The Big 3 may not be viable first options anymore -- but they're still a pretty good supporting cast. Probably better than anything we will be able to put around Rondo for a while.

Rondo's the one who hasn't been getting it done?

And you really think the squad we have out there is great supporting cast?  JO has played like the worst offensive player in the league and his defense has been slow and ineffective.  KG has been extremely disappointing to start.  We get nothing from the 3 position each night.

Getting it done = getting a win. So yeah, with this supporting cast Rondo hasn't been getting it done.

And if you think you'll pick up a bunch of roleplayers that will contribute better than Garnet, Allen and Pierce will -- you're delusional.

Pierce/Garnet/Allen on their last legs > average league role-player.

So yeah. Rondo has been a great piece, and his contribution has been amazing when the team didn't live and die by it. But I'm yet to see any indication that he can put the team on his back and carry it to wins with just average supporting cast (see Kobe, Durant in their prime, or Tom Brady in other sports).

In this sense, while he's great to have, you either have to acquire a true franchise player, or ship him for one. I fully understand the management's attempts to achieve this, especially given that we'll probably only be able to get a very-good-but-not-great player through free agency next season.

  Durant isn't really in his prime and he hasn't carried a team that far. Kobe, in his prime, carried the Lakers to 3 straight 35-45 win seasons. But if you can ship Rondo out for a franchise player that can carry a team on his back, go for it.

[BballTim]

So Westbrook yells at his teammate to shoot the ball and he is all of a sudden a selfish prick.  Funny.

  All of a sudden? Did you miss the playoffs last year?

[kozlodoev]

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[letsgoblue86]

I wouldn't look too much into this, Westbrook was probably just frustrated with his performance.  Although, I don't like Westbrook and Durant on the same team...Westbrook needs to find a different niche on that team.  Durant is the scorer, Westbrook needs to become the PG.

[angryguy77]

no westbrook. I'm not against trading RR, but it can't be for this moron.

[indeedproceed]

So Westbrook yells at his teammate to shoot the ball and he is all of a sudden a selfish prick.  Funny.

  All of a sudden? Did you miss the playoffs last year?

Yeah, I actually thought odds of this kind of trade happening were about 1,000 times higher after Westbrook's collapse last year in the playoffs. Compared to this weird incident (during, let me say that again, during a win streak on a team favored by many to win the chip this year), the playoffs last season seems a lot more dire.