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Re: Celtics should try to bring Big Al Jefferson, now is the moment Danny.
« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2011, 11:41:43 PM »

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We lead the league in FG% and for most of the year it wasn't even close.  We were over 50% until the last month or so.  Just because our pace is slow doesn't mean we had poor offense.  Our only problem was consistent scoring and defense from the bench.  Our starting 5 were consistently the best 5 man unit in the league.  Big 4 + Shaq, Baby, Green or JO

it's not the slow pace that makes our offense weak.


it's the inconsistency, the over-reliance on jumpshots, the long stretches without a point scored, the 4th quarter leads given up, the inability of any of our players to create their own shot in crunch time.

unless the jumpshots are falling, our team's normally efficient offense falls apart against good defensive teams.

  Don't forget the lack of offensive rebounds...

Re: Celtics should try to bring Big Al Jefferson, now is the moment Danny.
« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2011, 11:44:36 PM »

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We lead the league in FG% and for most of the year it wasn't even close.  We were over 50% until the last month or so.  Just because our pace is slow doesn't mean we had poor offense.  Our only problem was consistent scoring and defense from the bench.  Our starting 5 were consistently the best 5 man unit in the league.  Big 4 + Shaq, Baby, Green or JO

it's not the slow pace that makes our offense weak.


it's the inconsistency, the over-reliance on jumpshots, the long stretches without a point scored, the 4th quarter leads given up, the inability of any of our players to create their own shot in crunch time.

unless the jumpshots are falling, our team's normally efficient offense falls apart against good defensive teams.

  Don't forget the lack of offensive rebounds...


yep, the lack of second chance opportunities (and giving them up to opponents) certainly hurts us, too.

the lack of offensive rebounds is tied directly to our over-reliance on jumpshots, too.  nobody underneath the basket.
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Re: Celtics should try to bring Big Al Jefferson, now is the moment Danny.
« Reply #107 on: December 06, 2011, 09:39:51 AM »

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I think it can be stated that we also wore down late in games on the defensive end.

We didn't have enough in us to get it done on both sides of the ball.

Re: Celtics should try to bring Big Al Jefferson, now is the moment Danny.
« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2011, 09:43:11 AM »

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I think it can be stated that we also wore down late in games on the defensive end.

We didn't have enough in us to get it done on both sides of the ball.


that's fair.  i think you could argue that if the big 3 weren't expected to carry as much of an offensive load, they would have more energy for defense at the end of the game.
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Re: Celtics should try to bring Big Al Jefferson, now is the moment Danny.
« Reply #109 on: December 06, 2011, 10:37:12 AM »

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We lead the league in FG% and for most of the year it wasn't even close.  We were over 50% until the last month or so.  Just because our pace is slow doesn't mean we had poor offense.  Our only problem was consistent scoring and defense from the bench.  Our starting 5 were consistently the best 5 man unit in the league.  Big 4 + Shaq, Baby, Green or JO

it's not the slow pace that makes our offense weak.


it's the inconsistency, the over-reliance on jumpshots, the long stretches without a point scored, the 4th quarter leads given up, the inability of any of our players to create their own shot in crunch time.

unless the jumpshots are falling, our team's normally efficient offense falls apart against good defensive teams.
Thats why I think this team can realy use a lowpost scorer al jeff is almost unstoppable down low. our offense with shaq last year was fun to watch.

Re: Celtics should try to bring Big Al Jefferson, now is the moment Danny.
« Reply #110 on: December 06, 2011, 10:56:18 AM »

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We lead the league in FG% and for most of the year it wasn't even close.  We were over 50% until the last month or so.  Just because our pace is slow doesn't mean we had poor offense.  Our only problem was consistent scoring and defense from the bench.  Our starting 5 were consistently the best 5 man unit in the league.  Big 4 + Shaq, Baby, Green or JO

it's not the slow pace that makes our offense weak.


it's the inconsistency, the over-reliance on jumpshots, the long stretches without a point scored, the 4th quarter leads given up, the inability of any of our players to create their own shot in crunch time.

unless the jumpshots are falling, our team's normally efficient offense falls apart against good defensive teams.

  Don't forget the lack of offensive rebounds...


yep, the lack of second chance opportunities (and giving them up to opponents) certainly hurts us, too.

the lack of offensive rebounds is tied directly to our over-reliance on jumpshots, too.  nobody underneath the basket.

  It's also one of the reasons a team as old and slow as the Celts are always near the top of the league in fewest fast break points allowed. They get back on D instead of hitting the glass.

Re: Celtics should try to bring Big Al Jefferson, now is the moment Danny.
« Reply #111 on: December 06, 2011, 11:14:35 AM »

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We lead the league in FG% and for most of the year it wasn't even close.  We were over 50% until the last month or so.  Just because our pace is slow doesn't mean we had poor offense.  Our only problem was consistent scoring and defense from the bench.  Our starting 5 were consistently the best 5 man unit in the league.  Big 4 + Shaq, Baby, Green or JO

it's not the slow pace that makes our offense weak.


it's the inconsistency, the over-reliance on jumpshots, the long stretches without a point scored, the 4th quarter leads given up, the inability of any of our players to create their own shot in crunch time.

unless the jumpshots are falling, our team's normally efficient offense falls apart against good defensive teams.

  Don't forget the lack of offensive rebounds...


yep, the lack of second chance opportunities (and giving them up to opponents) certainly hurts us, too.

the lack of offensive rebounds is tied directly to our over-reliance on jumpshots, too.  nobody underneath the basket.

  It's also one of the reasons a team as old and slow as the Celts are always near the top of the league in fewest fast break points allowed. They get back on D instead of hitting the glass.

yes, the celtics commit to getting back on defense instead of grabbing offensive rebounds. 

but it's possible for a team to be very good at defense and get second chance opportunities, so i think that argument to some degree sets up a false dichotomy.
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Re: Celtics should try to bring Big Al Jefferson, now is the moment Danny.
« Reply #112 on: December 07, 2011, 01:53:26 AM »

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We lead the league in FG% and for most of the year it wasn't even close.  We were over 50% until the last month or so.  Just because our pace is slow doesn't mean we had poor offense.  Our only problem was consistent scoring and defense from the bench.  Our starting 5 were consistently the best 5 man unit in the league.  Big 4 + Shaq, Baby, Green or JO

it's not the slow pace that makes our offense weak.


it's the inconsistency, the over-reliance on jumpshots, the long stretches without a point scored, the 4th quarter leads given up, the inability of any of our players to create their own shot in crunch time.

unless the jumpshots are falling, our team's normally efficient offense falls apart against good defensive teams.

  Don't forget the lack of offensive rebounds...


yep, the lack of second chance opportunities (and giving them up to opponents) certainly hurts us, too.

the lack of offensive rebounds is tied directly to our over-reliance on jumpshots, too.  nobody underneath the basket.

  It's also one of the reasons a team as old and slow as the Celts are always near the top of the league in fewest fast break points allowed. They get back on D instead of hitting the glass.

yes, the celtics commit to getting back on defense instead of grabbing offensive rebounds. 

but it's possible for a team to be very good at defense and get second chance opportunities, so i think that argument to some degree sets up a false dichotomy.

I might be mistaken but I remember reading somewhere that running back on defense instead of going for the o-rebound is proven to be more effective.

But our defensive rebounding, despite being 9th in the league or something, seemed lacking at times. Those second chance points swing the momentum and just hurts to watch. Our defensive rebounding stat probably comes from our great defense and we're probably not a good rebounding team tbh.