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Re: Meeting Concludes Without Deal, Negotiations Broken Off Indefinitely
« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2011, 03:08:30 PM »

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the league has dropped their ultimatum to only meet if the players agree to 50-50 split, and the two sides are meeting Sunday night in NY according to all the NBA insiders on Twitter.  So it was just another negotiating tactic...shocker! 

There is a deal to be had, if the two sides can put their egos aside...

Re: Meeting Concludes Without Deal, Negotiations Broken Off Indefinitely
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2011, 08:02:04 PM »

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There is a deal to be had, if the two sides can put their egos aside...

Agreed, if BRI is really the only major issue tonight, it should get solved pretty quickly because the players couldn't throw away those first two weeks. Feeling positive.

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« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2011, 10:05:20 PM »

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There is a deal to be had, if the two sides can put their egos aside...

Agreed, if BRI is really the only major issue tonight, it should get solved pretty quickly because the players couldn't throw away those first two weeks. Feeling positive.

The players have repeatedly said that they will not be phased by the cancelation of games if it is needed to secure the best long term deal.
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Re: Meeting Concludes Without Deal, Negotiations Broken Off Indefinitely
« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2011, 10:27:24 PM »

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Well #fiftyonepointfive now trending on Twitter despite mainstream media pushing the angle that casual sports fans won't miss the NBA...

From CBS's Ken Berger this afternoon:

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A rational split of 51.5 percent for the players and 48.5 percent for the owners -- with most of the system issues remaining the same, as the players want -- would address most of the owners' stated annual losses of $300 million and preserve the flexibility the players wanted to maintain from the existing system. By holding out for 1.5 percent of BRI -- the owners at 50 percent and the players at 53 -- each side would be drawing a line in the sand over less than $400 million -- $393 million, to be exact -- over six years. And each side would lose half that amount by canceling the first two weeks of games.

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« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2011, 11:01:42 PM »

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I hope the owners don't cave. This is their chance to break the union.

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« Reply #80 on: October 10, 2011, 11:14:21 AM »

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I hope the owners players don't cave. This is their chance to break the union owners.

Fixed.  ;)

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« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2011, 11:21:44 AM »

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If the owners have reached their bottom line, what's the sense in spending tens of thousands of dollars (presuming attorneys are involved) for a meeting that will go nowhere?
This is nonsense to me. Attorney fees are a tiny portion of the money at play in the deal, and they are staring down the barrel of guaranteed losses if games start dropping off the face of the earth. You also can't reach a settlement, if you don't talk, and bottom lines are meaningless unless they become part of the final deal. Owners have already backed off one bottom line already, which gives you a clue as to how much this one might be worth.

Behavior like this is called "penny wise, pound foolish".

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This is the league statement:
You'll note that I was responding to StartOrien's paraphrasing. If what the league says in their statement is correct (we're not moving on the split, but let's talk about these other things), and the players told them to take a hike, that's fine. It's only dirty in the situation that I laid out.

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Sometimes, negotiators just get to a point where they won't compromise any further.
I have said this to you once before, I guess it bears repeating: this is not a general case negotiation. This is the NBA vs. the NBPA. Refusal to compromise further carries with it serious monetary risks for both parties, far above and beyond the difference in their positions. This colors everything that they do.

Re: Meeting Concludes Without Deal / Ongoing Lockout Negotiations Thread
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2011, 10:13:54 PM »

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The mediation session just broke up about five minutes ago.  Hopefully some progress was made.

EDIT:  Now, reports are that it was a false alarm, and that meetings are still ongoing.

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« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2011, 10:23:21 PM »

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posted an open thread on the front page too

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« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2011, 11:14:57 PM »

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Talks into hour 13.  Keep it going.

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« Reply #85 on: October 18, 2011, 11:57:16 PM »

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I-SbwCHJ80

They really seem to be making a go of it.  Fingers crossed...

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« Reply #86 on: October 19, 2011, 12:11:21 AM »

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It does seem strange the talks are going this long.  Anyone know if the talks are over yet?

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« Reply #87 on: October 19, 2011, 12:30:10 AM »

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It does seem strange the talks are going this long.  Anyone know if the talks are over yet?
According to Woj's twitter as of 27 mins ago, talks still going on.

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« Reply #88 on: October 19, 2011, 12:47:30 AM »

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It does seem strange the talks are going this long.  Anyone know if the talks are over yet?

I think the talks going this long means that both sides are VERY motivated to get a deal done today (owner's meeting tomorrow), and things aren't going disastrously at least.  Hope it's enough.

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« Reply #89 on: October 19, 2011, 01:33:49 AM »

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15 hours and counting chaps... Let's hope for the best ehy?