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Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2011, 09:18:11 PM »

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I would probably go with:

Magic
Jordan
Bird
Duncan
Shaq

I would actually make a case for Gary Payton over Magic though cause he's much quicker. His defense would make this team nearly unstoppable. Also Duncan over Hakeem is basically a wash. I'd take either one.

seems like this is a consensus
the other is what if hakeem is a pure center hess to close to shar and wilt and bill
and
Duncan KG and McHale will always be a wash

Froncourts are more debtable than backourts
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Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2011, 09:21:51 PM »

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Regarding Russell's offense there is something that people need to know. Russell was the 3rd, 4th or even 5th offensive option on most of the teams he played on. Heinsohn, Cousy, Sam Jones, Bill Sharman, Frank Ramsey, and Havlicek were all offensive options that came before Russell.

Also, for many of those teams, Russell was playing 44-46 MPG whereas the next player in minutes was around 30-36 MPG. The reason is because of Auerbach's system in which defense and fast break basketball ruled the day and he needed Russell playing huge minutes to anchor the defense and start the fast break with rebounding and outlet passing.

Also, regarding Russell's FG%, let's remember that in those days there was no three point line to spread defenses out and give big men room to work. The game was much more physical to the point where people would get into fights on a near weekly basis and never get thrown out of the game.

That all means major hacking and pushing and elbowing and punching when big men went up to shoot. It meant a lot more people around to do that since offenses always tried to push the ball inside and defenses stayed in tight. A long shot was a 17 footer.

All big man FG%s were down in those days as compared to now due to the rules changes.

Lastly, Bill Russell might have been the smartest basketball player ever. Why did Wilt post such big numbers on Russell at times? because he demanded his team get him the ball every time and because Russell always let Wilt get his points and rebounds early while Russell coasted so that Russell would be able to have the energy to outplay him in 4th quarters to win games. Wilt was all about numbers. Russell was all about winning. Russell didn't care how much Wilt scored from the 1st-3rd quarters just so long as he could shut him down in the 4th quarter and the Celtics could win, which they did over and over and over again.

Why people are so quick to crown a 6'6" modern day era player as being able to do anything in the game and change the game and be the best player ever but overlook the fact that a 6'9" older era player couldn't do those same things and change a game and be the best player ever astounds me.

Heinsohn, Auerbach, Cousy, just about any Celtic has said it 1000 times. If Russell wanted to average 50 points a game he could have. If he wanted to average 40 rebounds a game he could have. He chose not to because it wasn't in the best interest of his TEAM.

Russell didn't lack offensive skill. He just didn't use the skills he had to their fullest because it wasn't in the best interest of his team winning. His playing unreal defense, rebounding like a fiend and making excellent outlet passes were in that team's best interest and 11 titles says he made the right decision.

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2011, 09:30:56 PM »

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To further illustrate my point take a look at the FG%'s of 1960-1967. Most years there were only 1-3 players that shot over 50% in the entire league!!!!!!!

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2011, 10:06:05 PM »

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Duncan is not even in the top 3 in pf's....pettit, mchale hayes and both DeBuscherre.heinsohn possibly
Oscar Robertson has to be considered with Magic and definitely over Stockton
Russel, Chamberlain  and Hakeem over Shaq

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2011, 11:13:27 PM »

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PG) Magic
SG) Jordan
SF) Bird
PF) Russell
C) Kareem

Russell was 6'9" and would probably play PF if he was in the league today. Wilt would be the 6th man for this team, but I put Kareem ahead of him because of how long he dominated and it was in the most competitive era for basketball.

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2011, 11:40:16 PM »

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because of how long he dominated and it was in the most competitive era for basketball.
no for centers
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Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2011, 12:26:33 AM »

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Center..: Bill Walton
Power Forward..: Bill Russell
Small Forward..: Larry Bird
Shooting Guard..: Ray Allen
Point Guard..: John Stockton

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2011, 12:30:51 AM »

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PG: Magic Johnson - simply the best PG ever and one of the few players in the history of the game that could excel at all 5 positions

SG: Michael Jordan - could there be a scarier sight than Jordan poking the ball from someone on defense, passing it to Magic leading a two on one or two one two break and having Magic passing to MJ to do what he did best?

SF: Larry Bird - how good was Larry? At 33 and nearly crippled due to back injury he put up 24.3/9.5/7.6 numbers. He's played with superstars and knows how to make them and his team better.

PF/C: Bill Russell - Simply the best defender, smartest player, biggest winner and best basketball player ever. Call him a PF. Call him a center. Doesn't matter. He will get the job done.

PF/C: Tim Duncan - just best all around big in the modern era. He can play either position, just like Russell and excels at just about everything.

When facing a big center, Duncan defends him and Russell gets the PF. When facing a less mammoth player the roles can be switched. easily the best passing, scoring, defending and versatile lineup ever.


Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2011, 02:24:47 AM »

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Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2011, 03:32:36 AM »

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Magic
Jordan
Bird
Russell
Wilt


Best rebounding team ever?  Check.  Best interior defense ever?  Check.  They'd be able to dominate in transition as well as in a half court game.  Only weak spot would be Wilt and Russell's cruddy FT%.

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #70 on: July 31, 2011, 03:49:01 AM »

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C - Arvydas Zabonis
PF - Vlade Divac
SF - Dirk
SG - Drazen Petrovic
PG - Sarunas Jasikevicus

Back ups

C - Zydrunas Ilgauskas
PF Dino Raja
SF Toni Kukoc
SG Manu Ginobli
PG Ricky Rubio

11th man Marc Gasol
12 man Andrea Bargnani

beat that mo fo

Everybody talks like they got somethin to say, but nothin comes out when they move their lips. Just a bunch of gibberish and you mother fudgers act like you forgot about the Euros

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #71 on: July 31, 2011, 04:41:15 AM »

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C - Arvydas Zabonis
PF - Vlade Divac
SF - Dirk
SG - Drazen Petrovic
PG - Sarunas Jasikevicus

Back ups

C - Zydrunas Ilgauskas
PF Dino Raja
SF Toni Kukoc
SG Manu Ginobli
PG Ricky Rubio

11th man Marc Gasol
12 man Andrea Bargnani

beat that mo fo

Everybody talks like they got somethin to say, but nothin comes out when they move their lips. Just a bunch of gibberish and you mother fudgers act like you forgot about the Euros

How about adding Dejan Bodiroga?

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #72 on: July 31, 2011, 10:04:01 AM »

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All of the players would be during their prime, obviously....


magic
jordan
bird
russell
shaq


i thought about wilt being at the 5 spot, but went with shaq for his size/strength

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #73 on: July 31, 2011, 10:06:58 AM »

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Magic, MJ, Bird, Russell, Wilt.  Move Russell to the 4. 

Best team ever.

Re: Your All Time Team
« Reply #74 on: July 31, 2011, 11:06:20 AM »

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Personally I think for Russell, 6'9" 215 isn't a lightweight
With all the focus on weight training, there's it's obvious Russell would have added on muscle in this modern era. If you remember, Dwight Howard was frail coming out of high school till he put on weight

When I see Ben Wallace and what he was able to accomplish in his career, theres no doubt Russell would have had the same success now as he would have in the 60's. Wallace guarded Shaq really well in that 2004 Pistons vs Lakers Finals, and also when Shaq was on the Heat. He added 4 Defensive players of the year awards to his resume. And its safe to say Russell is better than Wallace

My list would be
PG- Walt Frazier
SG- Micheal Jordan
SF- Bird
PF- Hakeem Olajuwon
C- Bill Russell