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Quote from: mgent on July 09, 2011, 05:26:48 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 09, 2011, 04:44:21 PMQuote from: thirstyboots18 on July 09, 2011, 04:34:59 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 09, 2011, 04:16:58 PMQuote from: Finkelskyhook on July 08, 2011, 12:55:45 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 07, 2011, 07:48:26 PMSee, I don't think a journeyman should be considered for the Hall of Fame.Why not? Most people in here think a stat hound team wrecker like Iverson is a lock. I'd sooner nominate a multiple champion journeyman. My point was that if the phrase "journeyman"-- which means someone who is skilled in a craft but not a master-- is attached to you it should by definition preclude you from the Hall of Fame.I don't see it that way. I think of it as a mercenary (journeyman) vs. a franchise player. The journeyman can be just as good...just not as permanent. It takes a lot of self- confidence to forgo long guaranteed contracts and shop yourself around...But that's not what the word means.I don't think she's talking about a master of basketball but a master of one team. As in a "jack of all teams, yet master to none." Someone who was able to contribute to different franchises but never focused completely on one and became a "master" of that "guild."OK, without getting to wadded up in medieval nomenclature, one could master a skill but not run a guild. A journeyman is someone whose skills were good enough to wander from place to place for periodic employment-- ala James Posey or Robert Horry-- but was by no means considered a master of their craft.
Quote from: KCattheStripe on July 09, 2011, 04:44:21 PMQuote from: thirstyboots18 on July 09, 2011, 04:34:59 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 09, 2011, 04:16:58 PMQuote from: Finkelskyhook on July 08, 2011, 12:55:45 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 07, 2011, 07:48:26 PMSee, I don't think a journeyman should be considered for the Hall of Fame.Why not? Most people in here think a stat hound team wrecker like Iverson is a lock. I'd sooner nominate a multiple champion journeyman. My point was that if the phrase "journeyman"-- which means someone who is skilled in a craft but not a master-- is attached to you it should by definition preclude you from the Hall of Fame.I don't see it that way. I think of it as a mercenary (journeyman) vs. a franchise player. The journeyman can be just as good...just not as permanent. It takes a lot of self- confidence to forgo long guaranteed contracts and shop yourself around...But that's not what the word means.I don't think she's talking about a master of basketball but a master of one team. As in a "jack of all teams, yet master to none." Someone who was able to contribute to different franchises but never focused completely on one and became a "master" of that "guild."
Quote from: thirstyboots18 on July 09, 2011, 04:34:59 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 09, 2011, 04:16:58 PMQuote from: Finkelskyhook on July 08, 2011, 12:55:45 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 07, 2011, 07:48:26 PMSee, I don't think a journeyman should be considered for the Hall of Fame.Why not? Most people in here think a stat hound team wrecker like Iverson is a lock. I'd sooner nominate a multiple champion journeyman. My point was that if the phrase "journeyman"-- which means someone who is skilled in a craft but not a master-- is attached to you it should by definition preclude you from the Hall of Fame.I don't see it that way. I think of it as a mercenary (journeyman) vs. a franchise player. The journeyman can be just as good...just not as permanent. It takes a lot of self- confidence to forgo long guaranteed contracts and shop yourself around...But that's not what the word means.
Quote from: KCattheStripe on July 09, 2011, 04:16:58 PMQuote from: Finkelskyhook on July 08, 2011, 12:55:45 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 07, 2011, 07:48:26 PMSee, I don't think a journeyman should be considered for the Hall of Fame.Why not? Most people in here think a stat hound team wrecker like Iverson is a lock. I'd sooner nominate a multiple champion journeyman. My point was that if the phrase "journeyman"-- which means someone who is skilled in a craft but not a master-- is attached to you it should by definition preclude you from the Hall of Fame.I don't see it that way. I think of it as a mercenary (journeyman) vs. a franchise player. The journeyman can be just as good...just not as permanent. It takes a lot of self- confidence to forgo long guaranteed contracts and shop yourself around...
Quote from: Finkelskyhook on July 08, 2011, 12:55:45 PMQuote from: KCattheStripe on July 07, 2011, 07:48:26 PMSee, I don't think a journeyman should be considered for the Hall of Fame.Why not? Most people in here think a stat hound team wrecker like Iverson is a lock. I'd sooner nominate a multiple champion journeyman. My point was that if the phrase "journeyman"-- which means someone who is skilled in a craft but not a master-- is attached to you it should by definition preclude you from the Hall of Fame.
Quote from: KCattheStripe on July 07, 2011, 07:48:26 PMSee, I don't think a journeyman should be considered for the Hall of Fame.Why not? Most people in here think a stat hound team wrecker like Iverson is a lock. I'd sooner nominate a multiple champion journeyman.
See, I don't think a journeyman should be considered for the Hall of Fame.
