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Re: Best NBA journeyman ever?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2011, 08:04:56 PM »

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I think the measure of a true journeyman is a guy who you can't identify with any one team.

Shaq - even though he bounced around is, to me,  a Laker.  Rice is Heat. 

Juwan Howard I'd say is more of your pure journeyman sort.  Smith for sure.

Tyrone Corbin comes to mind as well. 

Sam Cassell maybe (though I still identify him mostly with Houston).
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2011, 08:09:30 PM »

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Rasheed Wallace is worthy of mention under the 5 team rule.

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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2011, 08:20:59 PM »

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In terms of a "true" journeyman, Otis Thorpe averaged 14 / 8 with nine teams.  He bounced around a lot, but he was an impact player.

Rod Strickland averaged 13 / 7 with ten teams.


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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2011, 08:22:08 PM »

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I think the measure of a true journeyman is a guy who you can't identify with any one team.

Shaq - even though he bounced around is, to me,  a Laker.  Rice is Heat. 

Juwan Howard I'd say is more of your pure journeyman sort.  Smith for sure.

Tyrone Corbin comes to mind as well. 

Sam Cassell maybe (though I still identify him mostly with Houston).
I'm certainly more for you definition.  All time greats (HOFers) and multiple time all stars I just don't consider to be a journeyman.  Guys like Robert Horry are journeymen even if they didn't quite hit 5 teams.  

Of the guys that hit 5 teams or more, I'll throw my vote for Clifford Robinson.  Now granted the first 8 years he was in Portland, but he ended up on 5 teams all of which were more then 1 season (GS he had about 1.5).  He is the ultimate journeyman in my mind and has 1253 3 Pointers, 1402 Steals, and 1390 Blocks (when he retired he was the only guy in history even close to having all three of those at that level) with 6306 rebounds and 19591 points.  Fairly respectable 35.6% career from 3PT range and 69% from the line.  All in all not bad for a guy 6'10" tall.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2011, 08:27:13 PM »

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See, I don't think a journeyman should be considered for the Hall of Fame.
I have to agree with this. The title says journeyman and my definition of a journeyman is a player that is a fringe rotational player that played for many teams because he just wasn't good enough to play himself into a defined role of one team for a long long time.

The OP then is saying that a journeyman is a player that played for at least 5 teams. Well, if you are a star but basically a dirtbag and teams and team mates can't stand you(could be selfish play, attitude, numbers guy versus winning guy, one trick pony, etc.) then that doesn't make you a journeyman it makes you a player that plays on a lot of teams because he just doesn't fit in well.

Rodman, McAdoo, Shaq, Iverson, Carter, Wilt and others kind of fit that description of a player that just played on a lot of teams for various reasons.

Robert Horry, Eddie House, James Posey, etc. Those are journeymen to me.

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2011, 08:47:45 PM »

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I don't think folks like Shaq, Mcadoo, etc., should be eligible for this.  They played for many teams, but were not really journeymen.  They were too good for that.   

NBA journeyman is  a hard category to define, but that makes this a great question.  I say Rodman.  I can see the argument that a journeyman couldn't possibly be hall of fame material, by definition, but I think the key point about a journeyman is that he never becomes a master.  He can become very, very good at what he does, but never a master.  I think that means that he never becomes someone who can run a job, who can oversee a whole job.  In NBA terms, then, we are talking about a player who can have enormous impact, but would never be someone you could consider building a team around.  

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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 09:09:35 PM »

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  I think you should restrict it to 5 teams before they hit 34 or so, not players who were stars and hop teams when they near retirement. Chauncey Billups, perhaps?

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yes, Jimmy J! i always saw him as the ultimate "throw-in" to the deal. like he's good enough so that the team receiving him would think that they got a pretty good deal, but at the same time, he's not valuable enough that the team shipping him away feels like they just lost a large part of their team.
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NOW we're getting somewhere.  How about the additional restriction that the player cannnot have been an all-star or MVP?

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