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the less people that score the easier to control themthe smaller the people who score arethe easier to control themthe less they trust other peoplethe easier to control themthe egotistical they arethe easier to control themthe coach they feel they arethe easier to control them
Quote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 04:18:21 PMQuote from: Snakehead on January 11, 2011, 01:37:32 PMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 01:35:25 PMThis irks me every time I see it, and as Celtics fans, it should go without saying - the Cavs also lost shaq, delonte, and their head coach.To imply that LeBron's departure is the sole reason for the Cavs woes is shortsighted and inaccurate.So they lost Shaq, who was pretty terrible for them (especially for his salary), and Delonte who is good but was a big distraction last season, and is a role player. And they got better coach than the terrible Mike Brown....Yeah, LeBron's departure is almost the whole reason.I don't have perfect recall, but the numbers off the top of my head are 20.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, and 1.8 bpg that Shaq/Delonte contributed. And with Moranis pointing out that Z also left, his 7.3/5+ means the Cavs lost 25% of their offense in those 3 players, and about a third of their rebounding...I don't agree with your reasons for dissing Shaq and Delonte's contributions - numbers don't lieI like the use of '.8' in all your estimates instead of the more common .0.Props for being an original.
Quote from: Snakehead on January 11, 2011, 01:37:32 PMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 01:35:25 PMThis irks me every time I see it, and as Celtics fans, it should go without saying - the Cavs also lost shaq, delonte, and their head coach.To imply that LeBron's departure is the sole reason for the Cavs woes is shortsighted and inaccurate.So they lost Shaq, who was pretty terrible for them (especially for his salary), and Delonte who is good but was a big distraction last season, and is a role player. And they got better coach than the terrible Mike Brown....Yeah, LeBron's departure is almost the whole reason.I don't have perfect recall, but the numbers off the top of my head are 20.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, and 1.8 bpg that Shaq/Delonte contributed. And with Moranis pointing out that Z also left, his 7.3/5+ means the Cavs lost 25% of their offense in those 3 players, and about a third of their rebounding...I don't agree with your reasons for dissing Shaq and Delonte's contributions - numbers don't lie
Quote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 01:35:25 PMThis irks me every time I see it, and as Celtics fans, it should go without saying - the Cavs also lost shaq, delonte, and their head coach.To imply that LeBron's departure is the sole reason for the Cavs woes is shortsighted and inaccurate.So they lost Shaq, who was pretty terrible for them (especially for his salary), and Delonte who is good but was a big distraction last season, and is a role player. And they got better coach than the terrible Mike Brown....Yeah, LeBron's departure is almost the whole reason.
This irks me every time I see it, and as Celtics fans, it should go without saying - the Cavs also lost shaq, delonte, and their head coach.To imply that LeBron's departure is the sole reason for the Cavs woes is shortsighted and inaccurate.
Quote from: guava_wrench on January 13, 2011, 01:26:08 AMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 04:18:21 PMQuote from: Snakehead on January 11, 2011, 01:37:32 PMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 01:35:25 PMThis irks me every time I see it, and as Celtics fans, it should go without saying - the Cavs also lost shaq, delonte, and their head coach.To imply that LeBron's departure is the sole reason for the Cavs woes is shortsighted and inaccurate.So they lost Shaq, who was pretty terrible for them (especially for his salary), and Delonte who is good but was a big distraction last season, and is a role player. And they got better coach than the terrible Mike Brown....Yeah, LeBron's departure is almost the whole reason.I don't have perfect recall, but the numbers off the top of my head are 20.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, and 1.8 bpg that Shaq/Delonte contributed. And with Moranis pointing out that Z also left, his 7.3/5+ means the Cavs lost 25% of their offense in those 3 players, and about a third of their rebounding...I don't agree with your reasons for dissing Shaq and Delonte's contributions - numbers don't lieI like the use of '.8' in all your estimates instead of the more common .0.Props for being an original.Ha ha - it looks like I was significantly < ".8" % accurate as per ACF's post...It just pulls my chain how frequently Lebronists say that the only difference between the 61-win Cavs and the 8-30 cavs is him - and then handwave about how useless the starting centers for the easts' 2 best teams and Delonte are.We get it, you're trying to make a point, but it can't be reasonably supported - because OF COURSE a team that was designed for 7 years to focus on 1 player's skills is going to be horrible after he leaves.
Quote from: nba is the worst on January 14, 2011, 09:45:54 AMQuote from: guava_wrench on January 13, 2011, 01:26:08 AMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 04:18:21 PMQuote from: Snakehead on January 11, 2011, 01:37:32 PMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 01:35:25 PMThis irks me every time I see it, and as Celtics fans, it should go without saying - the Cavs also lost shaq, delonte, and their head coach.To imply that LeBron's departure is the sole reason for the Cavs woes is shortsighted and inaccurate.So they lost Shaq, who was pretty terrible for them (especially for his salary), and Delonte who is good but was a big distraction last season, and is a role player. And they got better coach than the terrible Mike Brown....Yeah, LeBron's departure is almost the whole reason.I don't have perfect recall, but the numbers off the top of my head are 20.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, and 1.8 bpg that Shaq/Delonte contributed. And with Moranis pointing out that Z also left, his 7.3/5+ means the Cavs lost 25% of their offense in those 3 players, and about a third of their rebounding...I don't agree with your reasons for dissing Shaq and Delonte's contributions - numbers don't lieI like the use of '.8' in all your estimates instead of the more common .0.Props for being an original.Ha ha - it looks like I was significantly < ".8" % accurate as per ACF's post...It just pulls my chain how frequently Lebronists say that the only difference between the 61-win Cavs and the 8-30 cavs is him - and then handwave about how useless the starting centers for the easts' 2 best teams and Delonte are.We get it, you're trying to make a point, but it can't be reasonably supported - because OF COURSE a team that was designed for 7 years to focus on 1 player's skills is going to be horrible after he leaves.Ramon Sessions alone accounts for pretty much everything Delonte and Shaq provided exeept rebounding, but that is made up for in increased time to Hickson.
Quote from: Moranis on January 15, 2011, 05:00:34 PMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 14, 2011, 09:45:54 AMQuote from: guava_wrench on January 13, 2011, 01:26:08 AMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 04:18:21 PMQuote from: Snakehead on January 11, 2011, 01:37:32 PMQuote from: nba is the worst on January 11, 2011, 01:35:25 PMThis irks me every time I see it, and as Celtics fans, it should go without saying - the Cavs also lost shaq, delonte, and their head coach.To imply that LeBron's departure is the sole reason for the Cavs woes is shortsighted and inaccurate.So they lost Shaq, who was pretty terrible for them (especially for his salary), and Delonte who is good but was a big distraction last season, and is a role player. And they got better coach than the terrible Mike Brown....Yeah, LeBron's departure is almost the whole reason.I don't have perfect recall, but the numbers off the top of my head are 20.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, and 1.8 bpg that Shaq/Delonte contributed. And with Moranis pointing out that Z also left, his 7.3/5+ means the Cavs lost 25% of their offense in those 3 players, and about a third of their rebounding...I don't agree with your reasons for dissing Shaq and Delonte's contributions - numbers don't lieI like the use of '.8' in all your estimates instead of the more common .0.Props for being an original.Ha ha - it looks like I was significantly < ".8" % accurate as per ACF's post...It just pulls my chain how frequently Lebronists say that the only difference between the 61-win Cavs and the 8-30 cavs is him - and then handwave about how useless the starting centers for the easts' 2 best teams and Delonte are.We get it, you're trying to make a point, but it can't be reasonably supported - because OF COURSE a team that was designed for 7 years to focus on 1 player's skills is going to be horrible after he leaves.Ramon Sessions alone accounts for pretty much everything Delonte and Shaq provided exeept rebounding, but that is made up for in increased time to Hickson. I'm a little less impressed with Ramon's post up game than you are.
Hahahaha. They have not won since I posted this