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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1140 on: August 21, 2017, 10:18:42 AM »

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@fairweatherfan , @Evantime34 couldn't agree more. Unlike most i liked the first episodes cause it looked like they tried to keep things to together but lately everything seems to be rushed.
I still enjoy watching it though

I think the easy explanation is outrunning the books but I think it's more likely all the battles and CGI forced them to try and compress 10 episodes of story (and more importantly, budget) into 7.

There's no excuse for Jon and Tyrion suddenly being incredibly stupid at tactics and strategy though. Dany was always capable of making bad decisions, so that's in character at least.

Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1141 on: August 21, 2017, 10:48:09 AM »

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Theory suggests Bran is the Night King. It's actually plausible.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/living/4254025/game-of-thrones-theory-bran-night-king/amp/
Nah, looks mostly like clickbait nonsense.

I'm not sure. They devoted too much time on Bran throughout  the show for his role simply to tell Jon who is parents were. They also devoted time to the children of the forest and the creation of the Night King when if that were going nowhere they could've been better served showing flashbacks of the Mad King and/or Rhaeger. The Night King also seemed eager to be the one to kill the 3 Eyed Raven, and seems to have a special interest in both Jon Snow and young Bran. The Night King has to be someone of great importance. I'm doubtful it was simply the one shown to be sacrificed.

Jon Snow having to kill his brother/cousin/Bran/Night King to ultimately destroy the Army of Dead is a lot more meaningful than just killing a random person.
Bran was nowhere to be seen for long stretches in the middle of the series. And to me he's always been mainly a convenient plot device to seamlessly introduce information that would otherwise be hard to weave into the show. Plus, the "justification" of this theory makes no sense whatsoever, and doesn't line up with the supposed "proof" from the series.

The Night King didn't even exist in the books as depicted in the show. There's also this:

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After he was killed, it was discovered that he had been making human sacrifices to the Others - the White Walkers - and all records of him were destroyed, and uttering his name was forbidden, so it became lost to history. Nevertheless, it is believed he may have been a Bolton, a Magnar of Skagos, an Umber, a Flint, a Norrey, or a Woodfoot, though Old Nan claims to know a version of the tale where he was actually a Stark, brother to the King-in-the-North, named Bran.

Starts at 5:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y1w4Fvz3S4

Point is that I wouldn't be so dismissive of things. It is very possible that could happen and would make the Snow vs Night King clash more riveting.

Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1142 on: August 21, 2017, 11:11:53 AM »

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This season has really drove home how good George RR Martin is at writing these books. Since the show has passed the books the show runners have had trouble tying together plot lines and having characters act realistically in line with what we know about them.

That last bit definitely had some deus ex machine to it.

It's becoming a trend.... Not a very clever one. Since the Battle of the ****s it's the 4th time someone happens save the day literally on the last second. Not very inspired writing.

Agree strongly with these points. And now I'm even more concerned about how these 'runners will handle their next show for HBO on the Confederacy. Not that they're going to put dragons in it (though who knows, that might be better than what they have planned). It's that they're making dumb choices they think will be fan-servicing, rather than being thoughtful, giving us something challenging, or letting character dictate what happens. I think that next show is going to be a disaster.

Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1143 on: August 21, 2017, 11:29:03 AM »

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Point is that I wouldn't be so dismissive of things. It is very possible that could happen and would make the Snow vs Night King clash more riveting.
Sorry, still looks like a ton of hogwash. Also, his identity seems largely immaterial. How he came about has always been a bigger question in the show than who he was -- and that's been answered already. This issue appears to mostly interest viral video makers on the web.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1144 on: August 21, 2017, 04:14:42 PM »

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Why not wait for all that dragon stone to be mined and forged into weapons before prancing north of the wall with the motley gaggle of misfits?  All this urgency buffet to prove the walkers existence to Cersei?

You reckon the dead Dragon breathes ice?

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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1145 on: August 21, 2017, 04:34:17 PM »

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Why not wait for all that dragon stone to be mined and forged into weapons before prancing north of the wall with the motley gaggle of misfits?  All this urgency buffet to prove the walkers existence to Cersei?
Well, it's not supposed to make sense. And it largely doesn't. Esquire saved me the writing of a wall of text on this:

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/news/a57100/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall/
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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1146 on: August 21, 2017, 04:38:27 PM »

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Latest episode (S7, E5) spoilers below;


So the "teleport"/"fast travel" method was in full display tonight, eh? We had Jaime and Bronn travel from Highgarden to King's Landing, Davos and Tyrion travel from Dragonstone to King's Landing AND back, and Jon's group travel from Dragonstone to the Wall all at different times in the episode. I don't really mind it, but after not employing this method of travel during the first six seasons, it's strange to do it now. That's the price to pay for shortened seasons, I guess.

I also don't quite get this quest to capture a wight. I can't see any way of it working, and it doesn't even seem like a feasible option that they would consider. It also has a Cersei trap written all over it. I don't really like criticizing show's that I'm this into, but to me this part of the plot seems like poor writing that I'm not really buying into.

Granted, I'm loving the dynamic of this group: Jon, Tormund, Jorah, Davos, Clegane, Gendry, Dondarion, and Thoros of Myr? That will be entertaining north of the Wall!
I don't mind the teleporting but can we change people's out fits or hair styles to show time passed.


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And no longer a bas... is official in show (to the viewers at least). That is kind of a big deal.

Can hardly wait for some more action. Have to admit the previous episode made me think, if the scorpions can ground a dragon then dragons are toast if the wight giants can still use their bows.

That's funny, I was just reading a theory suggesting that, and in one of the first episodes it actyallly showed one of the giant wights holding a bow. Have to think that's more than a coinicidence, but it would also require Daenerys making a trip to the wall in the next two episodes.

And then the Night King could resurrect it and use it to melt the wall. HBO actually put out a promotional poster months before this season that had the Night King riding a dragon sitting atop the Wall. It'd be strange of them to actually foreshadow things that much, but there's certainly a possibility that's how the Army of the Dead gets past the Wall.

EDIT: Here's the poster. Supposedly it's Viserion, too, though that'd require other dragon riders to be identified, as well. Seems like too much to accomplish in the final two episodes.



Well, I thought the Giant's bow foreshadowing entailed it would be a Giant to take Viserion down, but I guess the Night King makes more sense. It could be that one of the Giants gets Rhaegal or Drogon, but I doubt it.

I'm now kind of expecting two things: 1) Jon to become a dragon rider on Rhaegal (named after his true father), and 2) the Night King uses Viserion to melt the wall, and the Army of the Dead goes past the Wall for the big spoiler leading into the final season. That's going to be one hell of a cliffhanger, especially since it's not supposed to debut until 2019 sometime.

Also, does the flaming sword that Beric was wielding represent Lightbringer? I couldn't figure that out.

In the books Thoros uses wildfire to light his sword on fire. Beric didn't have a fire sword. In the show it seems like a Lord of Light thing and they both have them. I don't think it's supposed to be Lightbringer though, just Red Priest magic.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1147 on: August 21, 2017, 05:56:05 PM »

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Why not wait for all that dragon stone to be mined and forged into weapons before prancing north of the wall with the motley gaggle of misfits?  All this urgency buffet to prove the walkers existence to Cersei?
Well, it's not supposed to make sense. And it largely doesn't. Esquire saved me the writing of a wall of text on this:

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/news/a57100/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall/
After the undead polar bear attack, there was at least one dead and Thoros was clearly going to die.  So there was no reason to go any further as they'd soon have undead to show Cersei. 
Not sure what they expect of Cersei anyway.  Can't see her letting her remaining troops go north.  Can't see her giving them wildfire.  Unless of course, there is some way for her to turn it to her advantage. 

Another point is why did the Walkers just sit there waiting.  They could have used those ice spears to take out Jon and his crew.  Did they know the dragons would come? 

Also why would Sansa send Brienne south?  She'd just had a conversation with Littlefinger about Brienne defending Sansa if Arya threatened her. 
 

Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1148 on: August 21, 2017, 06:19:19 PM »

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Theory suggests Bran is the Night King. It's actually plausible.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/living/4254025/game-of-thrones-theory-bran-night-king/amp/
Nah, looks mostly like clickbait nonsense.

I'm not sure. They devoted too much time on Bran throughout  the show for his role simply to tell Jon who is parents were. They also devoted time to the children of the forest and the creation of the Night King when if that were going nowhere they could've been better served showing flashbacks of the Mad King and/or Rhaeger. The Night King also seemed eager to be the one to kill the 3 Eyed Raven, and seems to have a special interest in both Jon Snow and young Bran. The Night King has to be someone of great importance. I'm doubtful it was simply the one shown to be sacrificed.

Jon Snow having to kill his brother/cousin/Bran/Night King to ultimately destroy the Army of Dead is a lot more meaningful than just killing a random person.
Bran was nowhere to be seen for long stretches in the middle of the series. And to me he's always been mainly a convenient plot device to seamlessly introduce information that would otherwise be hard to weave into the show. Plus, the "justification" of this theory makes no sense whatsoever, and doesn't line up with the supposed "proof" from the series.

The Night King didn't even exist in the books as depicted in the show. There's also this:

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After he was killed, it was discovered that he had been making human sacrifices to the Others - the White Walkers - and all records of him were destroyed, and uttering his name was forbidden, so it became lost to history. Nevertheless, it is believed he may have been a Bolton, a Magnar of Skagos, an Umber, a Flint, a Norrey, or a Woodfoot, though Old Nan claims to know a version of the tale where he was actually a Stark, brother to the King-in-the-North, named Bran.

Starts at 5:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y1w4Fvz3S4

Point is that I wouldn't be so dismissive of things. It is very possible that could happen and would make the Snow vs Night King clash more riveting.
i kind of agree with you

Remember when the three eyed raven mentioned that if he stays too long in the sea of the past he'll "drown"?

either way I really hope there is a full bran episode coming up...

Might not be, but I really love bran -heavy episodes



Also it would make sense if bran is the night king because all of the wights are just being warged by the NK

I guess he could just be another greenseer but I kind of hope we see who the night king is
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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1149 on: August 21, 2017, 08:51:06 PM »

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Why not wait for all that dragon stone to be mined and forged into weapons before prancing north of the wall with the motley gaggle of misfits?  All this urgency buffet to prove the walkers existence to Cersei?
Well, it's not supposed to make sense. And it largely doesn't. Esquire saved me the writing of a wall of text on this:

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/news/a57100/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall/
After the undead polar bear attack, there was at least one dead and Thoros was clearly going to die.  So there was no reason to go any further as they'd soon have undead to show Cersei. 
Not sure what they expect of Cersei anyway.  Can't see her letting her remaining troops go north.  Can't see her giving them wildfire.  Unless of course, there is some way for her to turn it to her advantage. 

Another point is why did the Walkers just sit there waiting.  They could have used those ice spears to take out Jon and his crew.  Did they know the dragons would come? 

Also why would Sansa send Brienne south?  She'd just had a conversation with Littlefinger about Brienne defending Sansa if Arya threatened her. 
hey now, let's not think too logically about this. ;)

1.  good point on the having someone already dead that they could have used.  My wife and I wondered something very similar when we saw it.

2. I figured the walkers were held back due to so many falling through the ice.  of course I wondered why the ice was that thin when it's constantly freezing there.  the fact it firmed up within a short time where it could support the dead on their second rush made no sense.  also, once the Hound broke the ice with the hammer, why didn't he break more ice to limit the access points to the rock for the dead?  would have been really helpful for them.  also, if he could break the ice with one swing, how was it strong enough to support that many dead?

3. sending Brienne away made no sense at all.  Arya falling for Littlefinger's ploy the past 2 shows has made no sense either.  keep waiting for Arya to just end Littlefinger but inexplicably she's left him alone.

also still trying to understand why Dany didn't fly back to Dragonstone rather than take a boat.  will take exceedingly long considering this whole excursion required expediency to get Cersei's assistance.

Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1150 on: August 21, 2017, 08:56:38 PM »

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So I'll admit, I had never watched GoT until last summer and watched ALL OF Seasons 1-6 in the previous summer (2016) LOL, so maybe I missed something here and there in the rush.

But does the Night King have similar powers to Bran?

Because the Night King didn't seem surprised to see the dragons there (as if he knew they were going to come), and then during the battle, just readied his spear and ultimately got the dragon he wanted (almost 2, though thankfully not). Was that his grand plan all along? How would he have just known the dragons were coming?

Oh, and I thought this was GENIUS lol. Just for chuckles:


Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1151 on: August 21, 2017, 09:21:03 PM »

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So I'll admit, I had never watched GoT until last summer and watched ALL OF Seasons 1-6 in the previous summer (2016) LOL, so maybe I missed something here and there in the rush.

But does the Night King have similar powers to Bran?

Because the Night King didn't seem surprised to see the dragons there (as if he knew they were going to come), and then during the battle, just readied his spear and ultimately got the dragon he wanted. Was that his grand plan all along? How would he have just known the dragons were coming?

His full powers are not detailed. We can only assume things beyond what we have seen.
What we seen
- He wargs dead things on an immense scale.
-He is immune to some fires (wild fire unknown).
-Dragon glass disrupts his control over his thralls.
-Can manipulate ice.
-Can see green dreamers /wargs while they use their power.
-Can ice mark and ice turn people (Bran mark, Craster boys).
-Very strong physically.

We can maybe assume that if the Night King can warg at a massive level then he is likely a green seer. I suggest this based on Bran's big feats at warging is beyond most wargs and Bran happens to also be a green seer.

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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1152 on: August 21, 2017, 09:26:10 PM »

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Question, any one know if spear used was just an ice spear or Weirwood with ice tip spear?
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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1153 on: August 21, 2017, 09:32:27 PM »

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- He wargs dead things on an immense scale.

He reanimates them, I think rather than warg.

The show amounts to fan fiction at this point in terms of writing.   The rapid raven was beyond silly, they are just trying to finish it not be the same quality.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (contains spoilers)
« Reply #1154 on: August 21, 2017, 09:59:58 PM »

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After the undead polar bear attack, there was at least one dead and Thoros was clearly going to die.  So there was no reason to go any further as they'd soon have undead to show Cersei.
1.  good point on the having someone already dead that they could have used.  My wife and I wondered something very similar when we saw it.
The dead don't just spontaneously rise north of the Wall. A White Walker needs to be around to raise them.

It was also far from obvious that Thoros would die. I did, however, found that battle with the bear a bit odd... there seemed to be a ton of standing and watching while it was having its way with Thoros. Just odd.
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