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Re: Interesting Iverson Article
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2010, 07:33:30 PM »

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I have conflicting feelings about this article. On one hand the author seems to be writing on pure emotion and does not present enough (if any) to support a lot of his points.

On the other hand, if all of this was true, I would not be surprised in the least. Iverson's unmatched brutal honesty made us love him and hate him. He was self aware of his faults but refused to change for anyone. That was probably his most annoying feature.

I look at it like this. Many players have done far worse than Iverson. Ron Artest admitted to drinking during his years in Chicago, started the infamous brawl in Detriot but probably will be remembered in a better light than than Iverson. I can't think of any others off the top of my head but I'm sure there's many more players. This fact makes me think there is some media influence on our perception of this NBA great. I met Iverson in Atlanta about 5 years ago and he really did seem like a genuine person (for the 20 min I was with with him lol). He drove me and my cousin to the mall and offered to give us some spending money. I don't think he deserves all of this criticism but he definitely never did himself any favors with his words or actions.
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« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2010, 07:34:36 PM »

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Its funny and sad to hear posters criticize Iverson about the practice rant. I wish everyone who posts on this blog could have a camera follow them around constantly and the moment they say or do something stupid it could be blasted over and over again on sportscenter.  

So he missed practice got fined or suspended and then went off.
Similar things happen in everyday life and sometimes alot worse. Without identifying each post I can only hope people on this board hold themselves to such a standard.

bottom line--Iverson gave everything he had on the court.



 



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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2010, 07:41:11 PM »

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I am surprised how much of a heated back and forth this has become. I do honestly believe that he could help a team and think he is kind of in a situation similar to Terrel Owens. Obviously I also think Owens will help the Bengals a lot this year. People that think there is no chance of Iverson reinventing himself must not be patriots fans. About three years ago a guy by the name of Randy Moss was barely worth a 4th round draft pick after repeated problems in Minnesota (legal and on field) then being accused of completely quitting on the Raiders. I know they are different sports, but I think you could say Iverson has a lot in common with Owens and previously Moss. PS save your air on Iverson being more washed up cause both players were on the wrong side of 30 when these things happened and Owens is completely aincient by NFL standards. I am not sure if Iverson will sign anywhere, but counting him completely off seems premature...

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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2010, 07:44:28 PM »

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I am surprised how much of a heated back and forth this has become. I do honestly believe that he could help a team and think he is kind of in a situation similar to Terrel Owens. Obviously I also think Owens will help the Bengals a lot this year. People that think there is no chance of Iverson reinventing himself must not be patriots fans. About three years ago a guy by the name of Randy Moss was barely worth a 4th round draft pick after repeated problems in Minnesota (legal and on field) then being accused of completely quitting on the Raiders. I know they are different sports, but I think you could say Iverson has a lot in common with Owens and previously Moss. PS save your air on Iverson being more washed up cause both players were on the wrong side of 30 when these things happened and Owens is completely aincient by NFL standards. I am not sure if Iverson will sign anywhere, but counting him completely off seems premature...


NBA is different the the NFL.


The Moss we see with the Patriots looks a lot like the Moss with the Vikings.  He had a bad stop.


There is nothing in AI's history that shows he could play a smaller role off the bench.

And honestly, the Celtics already have two small guards that play.

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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2010, 07:51:58 PM »

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Simply put good teams don't want Iverson because he is a disease that will spread bad karma into the chemistry of a good team.

Bad teams don't want Iverson because they tend to have a lot of young players and want to teach and grow these players instilling these players with the proper work ethics and work habits. Iverson would be disastrous in this scenario.

Mediocre teams wouldn't want Iverson for fear of him not accepting a proper role or direction from the coach or fear that he would become disinterested and quit on them like he has his last three teams.

AI made his own bed. Now he has to sleep in it and unfortunately for him and all you AI fans, that means his career is over.


So Nick - "Is" a disease....or "Was"....(AI)?

So even in the event that AI was this selfish, inconsiderate  player that some made him out to be, you don't think he can change?

Don't you think he has the right of the benefit of the doubt?

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« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2010, 07:55:07 PM »

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Its funny and sad to hear posters criticize Iverson about the practice rant. I wish everyone who posts on this blog could have a camera follow them around constantly and the moment they say or do something stupid it could be blasted over and over again on sportscenter. 

So he missed practice got fined or suspended and then went off.
Similar things happen in everyday life and sometimes alot worse. Without identifying each post I can only hope people on this board hold themselves to such a standard.

bottom line--Iverson gave everything he had on the court.



 





Next time I make millions of dollars on a job and I disrespect my employer, teammates, and fans on live TV... I hope I'm called out.  I do not understand the pity you have for Allen Iverson.  He has consistently shown to be a bad teammate who is concerned with himself before his own team. No matter how talented he is that is the truth.  I'd take Nate Robinson any day and save myself the headache.


Nick was dead on with his post.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2010, 08:05:10 PM by Snakehead »
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Simply put good teams don't want Iverson because he is a disease that will spread bad karma into the chemistry of a good team.

Bad teams don't want Iverson because they tend to have a lot of young players and want to teach and grow these players instilling these players with the proper work ethics and work habits. Iverson would be disastrous in this scenario.

Mediocre teams wouldn't want Iverson for fear of him not accepting a proper role or direction from the coach or fear that he would become disinterested and quit on them like he has his last three teams.

AI made his own bed. Now he has to sleep in it and unfortunately for him and all you AI fans, that means his career is over.


So Nick - "Is" a disease....or "Was"....(AI)?

So even in the event that AI was this selfish, inconsiderate  player that some made him out to be, you don't think he can change?

Don't you think he has the right of the benefit of the doubt?

That certainly worked well for Detroit and Memphis.

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« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2010, 08:00:34 PM »

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I am surprised how much of a heated back and forth this has become. I do honestly believe that he could help a team and think he is kind of in a situation similar to Terrel Owens. Obviously I also think Owens will help the Bengals a lot this year. People that think there is no chance of Iverson reinventing himself must not be patriots fans. About three years ago a guy by the name of Randy Moss was barely worth a 4th round draft pick after repeated problems in Minnesota (legal and on field) then being accused of completely quitting on the Raiders. I know they are different sports, but I think you could say Iverson has a lot in common with Owens and previously Moss. PS save your air on Iverson being more washed up cause both players were on the wrong side of 30 when these things happened and Owens is completely aincient by NFL standards. I am not sure if Iverson will sign anywhere, but counting him completely off seems premature...


NBA is different the the NFL.


The Moss we see with the Patriots looks a lot like the Moss with the Vikings.  He had a bad stop.


There is nothing in AI's history that shows he could play a smaller role off the bench.

And honestly, the Celtics already have two small guards that play.

So wdleehi - didn't Stephon Marbury come into Boston with similar credentials as AI? I thought Stephon fit in rather well.

Sure - Marbury had that confusing youtube video, but while he was in Green, he played well and didn't disrupt.

I know that my frame of thought is hypothetical - we don't need AI's services because we are set as a team right now. But it is baffling to me to see comments basically saying that AI could not fit in here if Danny brought him in - when we don't know that for sure.

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« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2010, 08:02:52 PM »

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I am surprised how much of a heated back and forth this has become. I do honestly believe that he could help a team and think he is kind of in a situation similar to Terrel Owens. Obviously I also think Owens will help the Bengals a lot this year. People that think there is no chance of Iverson reinventing himself must not be patriots fans. About three years ago a guy by the name of Randy Moss was barely worth a 4th round draft pick after repeated problems in Minnesota (legal and on field) then being accused of completely quitting on the Raiders. I know they are different sports, but I think you could say Iverson has a lot in common with Owens and previously Moss. PS save your air on Iverson being more washed up cause both players were on the wrong side of 30 when these things happened and Owens is completely aincient by NFL standards. I am not sure if Iverson will sign anywhere, but counting him completely off seems premature...


NBA is different the the NFL.


The Moss we see with the Patriots looks a lot like the Moss with the Vikings.  He had a bad stop.


There is nothing in AI's history that shows he could play a smaller role off the bench.

And honestly, the Celtics already have two small guards that play.

Lets be fair here Moss had a lot of issues with the vikings too
Here are his three biggest with the vikings from his wiki page. Notice he was accused of quitting on the vikings previous to the raiders.

Traffic incident

On September 24, 2002 in downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota, Moss was driving and was preparing to make an illegal turn. A traffic control officer, noticing what he was about to do, stood in front of his car, ordering him to stop. Eyewitness accounts of the event differ at this point, but Moss did not comply with the officer's order, and she was bumped by his vehicle and fell to the ground. Moss was arrested, and a search of his vehicle revealed a small amount of marijuana.[49] Initially charged with felony Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and a misdemeanor marijuana possession, Moss pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation and was ordered to pay a $1,200 fine and perform 40 hours of community service.[50]
Leaving the field during a game

During the last game of the 2004 regular season against the Washington Redskins and with two seconds remaining on the game clock, Moss walked off the field and into the locker room; critics criticized Moss for quitting on his team.[51] Moss stated afterward that he didn’t think Minnesota, who ended up losing 21-18 to Washington, would recover the onside kick.[52]
Playoff mooning incident

On January 9, 2005, the Minnesota Vikings traveled to division rival Green Bay to take on the heavily favored Packers in an NFC wildcard playoff game. Moss finished the game with 4 catches for 70 yards and two touchdowns in the 31-17 win. After the second score, Moss trotted to the end zone goalpost and, facing away from the crowd, feigned pulling down his pants to moon the Green Bay fans. TV announcer Joe Buck, calling the game, was incensed, calling it "a disgusting act" on-air. Days later, the NFL fined him $10,000, finding it "unsportsmanlike" and "offensive" during the playoffs. However, then-Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy, the former Vikings defensive coordinator, explained Moss' action by pointing out that Packers fans are infamous for actually mooning the buses of departing opponents after a loss,[53] unlike Moss' fully-clothed imitation.

In the latter stages of his NFL career, particularly for a wide receiver relying on speed, moss has shown to be a changed man in new england and has not had any off the field incidents or people accusing him of quitting.

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I am surprised how much of a heated back and forth this has become. I do honestly believe that he could help a team and think he is kind of in a situation similar to Terrel Owens. Obviously I also think Owens will help the Bengals a lot this year. People that think there is no chance of Iverson reinventing himself must not be patriots fans. About three years ago a guy by the name of Randy Moss was barely worth a 4th round draft pick after repeated problems in Minnesota (legal and on field) then being accused of completely quitting on the Raiders. I know they are different sports, but I think you could say Iverson has a lot in common with Owens and previously Moss. PS save your air on Iverson being more washed up cause both players were on the wrong side of 30 when these things happened and Owens is completely aincient by NFL standards. I am not sure if Iverson will sign anywhere, but counting him completely off seems premature...


NBA is different the the NFL.


The Moss we see with the Patriots looks a lot like the Moss with the Vikings.  He had a bad stop.


There is nothing in AI's history that shows he could play a smaller role off the bench.

And honestly, the Celtics already have two small guards that play.

So wdleehi - didn't Stephon Marbury come into Boston with similar credentials as AI? I thought Stephon fit in rather well.

Sure - Marbury had that confusing youtube video, but while he was in Green, he played well and didn't disrupt.

I know that my frame of thought is hypothetical - we don't need AI's services because we are set as a team right now. But it is baffling to me to see comments basically saying that AI could not fit in here if Danny brought him in - when we don't know that for sure.


He was terrible on the court.  

There was a reason he was never given another NBA contract.

What we know that every team that has asked AI to come off the bench (even the team that told him that was the plan when they signed him) has has AI quit on them.  

Why should we expect Boston to be different?

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« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2010, 08:05:35 PM »

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Its funny and sad to hear posters criticize Iverson about the practice rant. I wish everyone who posts on this blog could have a camera follow them around constantly and the moment they say or do something stupid it could be blasted over and over again on sportscenter.  

So he missed practice got fined or suspended and then went off.
Similar things happen in everyday life and sometimes alot worse. Without identifying each post I can only hope people on this board hold themselves to such a standard.

bottom line--Iverson gave everything he had on the court.



 





Next time I make millions of dollars on a job and I disrespect my employer, teammates, and fans on live TV... I hope I'm called out.  I do not understand the pity you have for Allen Iverson.  He has consistently shown to be a bad teammate who is concerned with himself before his own team. No matter how talented he is that is the truth.  I'd take Nate Robinson any day and my self the headache.


Nick was dead on with his post.

Larry Brown has forgiven Iverson and has even stuck up for him on occasions. If he can forgive him (his coach at the time) I think fans should let it go to.

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« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2010, 08:05:37 PM »

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Simply put good teams don't want Iverson because he is a disease that will spread bad karma into the chemistry of a good team.

Bad teams don't want Iverson because they tend to have a lot of young players and want to teach and grow these players instilling these players with the proper work ethics and work habits. Iverson would be disastrous in this scenario.

Mediocre teams wouldn't want Iverson for fear of him not accepting a proper role or direction from the coach or fear that he would become disinterested and quit on them like he has his last three teams.

AI made his own bed. Now he has to sleep in it and unfortunately for him and all you AI fans, that means his career is over.


So Nick - "Is" a disease....or "Was"....(AI)?

So even in the event that AI was this selfish, inconsiderate  player that some made him out to be, you don't think he can change?

Don't you think he has the right of the benefit of the doubt?

That certainly worked well for Detroit and Memphis.


And MEM and DET have not been good the last few years, too - especially DET. Neither made the playoffs, and won't likely do it this year as well.

Just not good situations to place AI in.

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« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2010, 08:07:01 PM »

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Simply put good teams don't want Iverson because he is a disease that will spread bad karma into the chemistry of a good team.

Bad teams don't want Iverson because they tend to have a lot of young players and want to teach and grow these players instilling these players with the proper work ethics and work habits. Iverson would be disastrous in this scenario.

Mediocre teams wouldn't want Iverson for fear of him not accepting a proper role or direction from the coach or fear that he would become disinterested and quit on them like he has his last three teams.

AI made his own bed. Now he has to sleep in it and unfortunately for him and all you AI fans, that means his career is over.


So Nick - "Is" a disease....or "Was"....(AI)?

So even in the event that AI was this selfish, inconsiderate  player that some made him out to be, you don't think he can change?

Don't you think he has the right of the benefit of the doubt?
How many hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars should owners and GMs give to Iverson to give him that chance to reform himself?

This isn't little league or youth basketball. This is a business. Owners have to pay this guy millions of dollars to play. Millions more in luxury tax if they are over that. If he doesn't work out (see Philadelphia, Detroit, Memphis and Philadelphia again) it costs them wins, chemistry in the clubhouse, possible playoff appearances, money to pay someone else etc. It could possibility inhibit the development of a promising young player who suddenly feels they can act like AI. The cost to a franchise could well me multiple millions of dollar, development of future stars, and other things I haven't mentioned that could put the franchise back years because they chose to keep Iverson instead of taking a chance on someone undrafted like a Wesley Matthews.

Should people who have to risk all this have to continue to risk their money and health of their franchise because AI like everyone deserves another chance.

Please.

This is business and about money.

Iverson is a horrible investment and is the equivalent of investing in Lehman Brothers stock now that they have already gone under. I mean Lehman Brothers was a great company. Don't they deserve another chance? How about you invest a few thousand in Lehman Brothers stock? I'm sure there are those out there with some that would be willing to sell it to you so that you can give it a second chance.

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Simply put good teams don't want Iverson because he is a disease that will spread bad karma into the chemistry of a good team.

Bad teams don't want Iverson because they tend to have a lot of young players and want to teach and grow these players instilling these players with the proper work ethics and work habits. Iverson would be disastrous in this scenario.

Mediocre teams wouldn't want Iverson for fear of him not accepting a proper role or direction from the coach or fear that he would become disinterested and quit on them like he has his last three teams.

AI made his own bed. Now he has to sleep in it and unfortunately for him and all you AI fans, that means his career is over.


So Nick - "Is" a disease....or "Was"....(AI)?

So even in the event that AI was this selfish, inconsiderate  player that some made him out to be, you don't think he can change?

Don't you think he has the right of the benefit of the doubt?

That certainly worked well for Detroit and Memphis.


And MEM and DET have not been good the last few years, too - especially DET. Neither made the playoffs, and won't likely do it this year as well.

Just not good situations to place AI in.


The Pistons were in the ECF the year before.  The could only sneak into the playoff the year they traded for AI.

And Memphis, who he quit on last year, had a better record last year the the AI lead Pistons the year before.


What is a good situation for AI since he doesn't come off the bench?

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« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2010, 08:13:49 PM »

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I am surprised how much of a heated back and forth this has become. I do honestly believe that he could help a team and think he is kind of in a situation similar to Terrel Owens. Obviously I also think Owens will help the Bengals a lot this year. People that think there is no chance of Iverson reinventing himself must not be patriots fans. About three years ago a guy by the name of Randy Moss was barely worth a 4th round draft pick after repeated problems in Minnesota (legal and on field) then being accused of completely quitting on the Raiders. I know they are different sports, but I think you could say Iverson has a lot in common with Owens and previously Moss. PS save your air on Iverson being more washed up cause both players were on the wrong side of 30 when these things happened and Owens is completely aincient by NFL standards. I am not sure if Iverson will sign anywhere, but counting him completely off seems premature...


NBA is different the the NFL.


The Moss we see with the Patriots looks a lot like the Moss with the Vikings.  He had a bad stop.


There is nothing in AI's history that shows he could play a smaller role off the bench.

And honestly, the Celtics already have two small guards that play.

So wdleehi - didn't Stephon Marbury come into Boston with similar credentials as AI? I thought Stephon fit in rather well.

Sure - Marbury had that confusing youtube video, but while he was in Green, he played well and didn't disrupt.

I know that my frame of thought is hypothetical - we don't need AI's services because we are set as a team right now. But it is baffling to me to see comments basically saying that AI could not fit in here if Danny brought him in - when we don't know that for sure.


He was terrible on the court.  

There was a reason he was never given another NBA contract.

What we know that every team that has asked AI to come off the bench (even the team that told him that was the plan when they signed him) has has AI quit on them.  

Why should we expect Boston to be different?

Terrible? Marbury? Didn't he help us win a playoff game against ORL in 2008-09?

Just like Doc predicted he would. I respect your point of view - but I disagree here. I don't see how Stephon was terrible in his time with us.

Just like AI (if we needed to sign him) would be able to fit in, IMO.