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Re: Barkley going after James...again!!
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2010, 01:41:20 PM »

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I don't remember Shaq getting any grief for ditching Orlando for LA at age 24.  Orlando a team that just made the Finals, with Shaq who was every bit as much of a megastar as LeBron, maybe even more so.

(I know Shaq didn't do the whole "Decision" thing, agree LeBron deserves a whole bunch of criticism for that, I'm specifically talking about the switching teams parts).

Really?  I remember Shaq getting a lot of grief for leaving Orlando - a lot of people accused him of caring more about a movie/rap career than winning championships.  LeBron's gotten more flak for sure, but Shaq wasn't exactly given a pass at the time.

There was no "Decision" special of course, but it was a different time media-wise.

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« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2010, 01:46:10 PM »

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I don't remember Shaq getting any grief for ditching Orlando for LA at age 24.  Orlando a team that just made the Finals, with Shaq who was every bit as much of a megastar as LeBron, maybe even more so.

(I know Shaq didn't do the whole "Decision" thing, agree LeBron deserves a whole bunch of criticism for that, I'm specifically talking about the switching teams parts).

To me, personally, the Decision thing was what almost made me barf. To leave as a free agent is okay, but why stick it to the people of Cleveland? It made me mad on behalf of them and I guess it made thousands of other people mad too. From now on LeBron James will always be considered a "Me" kind of guy. No matter how many titles he may end up winning.

I don't think Shaq was ever as big as LBJ is. Basketball wasn't that global back then. The Internet has helped LBJ reach unchartered heights as a sports icon.

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« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2010, 01:51:29 PM »

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I don't remember Shaq getting any grief for ditching Orlando for LA at age 24.  Orlando a team that just made the Finals, with Shaq who was every bit as much of a megastar as LeBron, maybe even more so.

(I know Shaq didn't do the whole "Decision" thing, agree LeBron deserves a whole bunch of criticism for that, I'm specifically talking about the switching teams parts).

Really?  I remember Shaq getting a lot of grief for leaving Orlando - a lot of people accused him of caring more about a movie/rap career than winning championships.  LeBron's gotten more flak for sure, but Shaq wasn't exactly given a pass at the time.

There was no "Decision" special of course, but it was a different time media-wise.

Now that I think back, I remember a little grief, just not that much.

But eh, maybe you're right.  Probably a combination of so much time having past plus the  vastly different media world we live in today, added with additional hatred for LeBron with the public relations nightmare of "The Decision" and joining established stars, makes it harder to compare.

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« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2010, 01:57:17 PM »

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I agree with Chuck.  Everybody has shots taken at them, LeBron's not special.  If he wants to go around tweeting and keeping track of everyone that says something bad about him that just makes him more of a punk.  Does he really think he's above criticism?
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« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2010, 02:09:48 PM »

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Of course it was a media event.  He "WAS" the best basketball player in the NBA in many peoples opinions.  No other team would have celebrated like  (except maybe the Knicks, who may even not have, and the Clippers, who would have had the right with how bad their franchise has been lol)! 

Do you really think that the Celtics would have had a circus like that had we gotten LeBron???  OF COURSE NOT!  Our team was the second worst recordwise the year before we landed KG and Ray and did you see us having a circus and WWE event like the three queens and the Heat.  OF COURSE NOT!  Because our organization has wwwwaaayyyy wwwaaaayyy to much class and so do Ray and KG.


Obviously any team would have been thrilled to land LeBron.  No news here.


LeBron didn't give a crap about Cleveland.  All he cares about is himself... himself more... Akron kind of... and then winning.  Like it or not Cleveland is LeBron's home team!  Just like the Celtics are my home team and I live in Rhode Island!  The closest team to where you were born or grown up is your hometeam! 

R u a Celtics fan and did you watch this past years playoffs??  Because if so you would have seen the Celtics man handle LeBron and made him quit.  Which he did!  With a minute and a half left his team was down 9 points!!  9 points!!  You think Michael or Reggie or anyone else would have gave up and lead his team in doing it!!


Why should LeBron care about Jordan's career???  Because Jordan is arguably the best basketball player ever to live!!  LeBron should strive to be better than him and try to be the best basketball player in the world because he had the talent too but he didn't have the competiveness as we all know now. 

LeBron should try to move on and make a dynasty of his own and not in Chicago???  You could not be more wrong here.  If he should make a dynasty on his own and become the best player ever he should have stayed in Cleveland and won multiple championships there or even gone to Chicago in a respectful manner completely opposite of what he's done and surpassed Jordan by winning 7 rings and have Jordan be in his shadow!!  Instead he decided to go become D-Wades you know what and join his friends and take the easy way out!!  LeCon is a coward and will always be a loser!!



I tried quoting everything you said and then stating after it, but that didn't work, but you can see where I edited and gave my opinion.  Wish what I originally typed didn't get all done after my log in timed out, but that was basically what I said.

I guarentee any team that actually had a shot at LBJ coming would of had that event.  Obviously we wouldn't with the rest of our roster, but we never would of had a chance at LBJ because we are a good team with no cap room.  No one who had a chance at LBJ was a contender, so if he shows up on your team suddenly you would be very excited because you suddenly got better, and yes the team would do something like what they did in Miami.  Funny you say the Knicks wouldn't do this because they would do it bigger than anyone. That's obvious.

And Ray and KG were more low key, fine, but Boston is not Miami.  People there loved it.  The whole point was to pump up the fan base and that worked.  It was not for you or I.

Yes, obviously everyone would have loved LBJ, making your point about LBJ owing Cleveland someting because they "gave him a start to his career" a pointless statement.

LBJ is not a Browns fan or an Indians fan notice... he is a Yankees fan and Cowboys fan.  Not everyone is just a fan of a team that is close to them.  I hate the Pats and like the Colts, not cause I'm from Indy but just because they are my favorite team to watch.  Not everyone operrates by the hometwon fan rules, and judging by LBJ's other tastes I'd say he was not a Cavs fan either.

The Celtics, again, played maybe the best Playoff defense I have ever seen.  Did they make LBJ get extremly frusterated and basically give up on offense?  Pretty much.  But LBJ isn't the best jump shooter and if he has no way to even sniff the paint that would probably frusterate him.  And if no one on your team does anything but wait to be open when you recieve a double team and hit spot up shots it would probably be frusterating that you are getting no help from anyone when you are recieving so much of the defensive attention.  Would other greats be more resilient?  Sure, but LBJ has been in the past when facing tough defense, it's not as if this was his MO.  He had a bad game and he wasn't getting help so he gave in at the end there.  Celtics had all the momentum and the defense wasn't getting any worse on him.  It remained strong the entire game.

LBJ wasn't winning in Cleveland with that roster and they have no way to make any moves.  The statement of whoever being the best basketball player of time is overrated, again because you can't compare these players reliably.  If we're judging by simply success I'd say Bill Russell was the best of all time, but I digress.  If LeBron is not Jordan, and he is not, then he should not try to be Jordan.  He should not care about Jordan and instead focus on being the best in his own era because that's all he can control and do

Maybe LBJ would rather be remembered as part of the best team ever rather than the best player ever?  Seems that way to me judging by his decisioin to go to Miami alongside Wade and Bosh, and I think that's awesome. 

I rememeber when once sports fans complained sports sucked now because players were all about money and themselves and not the team and winning. I know I still feel that way, I guess others do not as much. LeBron has some ego to him, but all the NBA greats did.  What is really important is the basketball decision that LBJ made, and he made a great one IMO.  It seems like all the fans are so concerned with "legacies", comparisons between players that cannot be accurately judged and are way overrated.  I hope LBJ doesn't care about any of that and just wants to be the best he can be and dominate his own era.


I don't remember Shaq getting any grief for ditching Orlando for LA at age 24.  Orlando a team that just made the Finals, with Shaq who was every bit as much of a megastar as LeBron, maybe even more so.

(I know Shaq didn't do the whole "Decision" thing, agree LeBron deserves a whole bunch of criticism for that, I'm specifically talking about the switching teams parts).

Good comparison.  LeBron had the special which made it worse, but otherwise it is an apt comparison and Shaq may have got criticism but no where near what LBJ is getting.
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Re: Barkley going after James...again!!
« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2010, 03:08:45 PM »

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If Lebron doesn't wanna hear any criticism, then all he has to do is watch ESPN and ESPN only.  I am sure he'll have plenty of guys talking about how Lebron is great and his dirty jocks smells like flowers.
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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2010, 03:14:18 PM »

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I am really looking forward to Oct. 26. I'm sure the rest of you are, as well.

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« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2010, 03:34:58 PM »

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I am really looking forward to Oct. 26. I'm sure the rest of you are, as well.

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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2010, 04:13:43 PM »

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I know everyojne here hates Lebron or at least most do. That's ok but I still dont understand, nor care to, all of the Lebron hate. One thing though that I will tell everyone here is that the Heat are going to be very, very good this year. If you think Lebron and Wade dont already make a very good team then you are sadly wrong! I am not saying they will beat us but one thing is for sure, they will be very good. They will uttimately be a dynasty winning numberous titles and doing so in a rout the league may not see again for a long while.

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« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2010, 04:18:22 PM »

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« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2010, 04:21:39 PM »

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I was pretty surprised by the comments when I saw them last night, but I give props to Barkley. Even if he is just doing it for media hype (which assuredly is the reason), I like it.

LeBron, when motivated/mad/driven/determined, has a habit to fall on flat on his face (see: entire postseason career).

The more people talk, the more they WILL get into his head. That puts more pressure on Wade and Bosh. Wade can handle it, but we all know Bosh can't.

This is one team where I think mind games will definitely come into play. They will wipe the floor with the bad/mediocre teams in the regular season, but come May, everyone will see what they are really made of.
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« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2010, 05:12:38 PM »

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This thread made me realize, LBJ is like a perpetual "when keeping it real goes wrong" chappelle skit.

He never mans up when he should, like on the court, but he can talk and act big off the court. LeBron is one of the very few players who has ever forced me to root against him. There are many players I am unfair and just hate blindlyt hrough my green goggles but LeBron is a player who I had no distaste for as a rookie, and have just grown to dislike as a player and what I know of him as a person. His attitudes, actions, and choices certainly alienate me. There are players I like on team I hate (like Artest) but I will hate any team LeBron is on because of him. His sense of entitlement and false accomplishment makes me sick.
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« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2010, 09:44:47 PM »

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Some of you disappoint me in your opinions.

Sorry  ;D

The difference is Barkley wasn't the poster boy for ESPN and he didn't go on national TV in a hyped-up "Decision" one-hour show to screw thousands of fans over. That said, I wish LeBron all the best because I know that his proclamation of seven rings (are you kidding me?) is nothing but a dream. Another thing is that Barkley was a great player but nowhere as great as LBJ is and I think even Barkley recognizes that and that's why he's disappointed. He wanted LBJ to be a Bird, an MJ or a Magic. You know, a franchise player in the most true sense of the word.

The mound bound of rebound wasn't a slouch his self now. Barkley at one time was the dominant force too, so lets not forget that. If YOU ask me now if LBJ is better than Charles? I look at their legacys and neither of them have a ring, so they are equal because LBJ hasn't did nothing Charles havent done.

Charles knows that LeBron had much much more potential to be great than he did.  LeBron wussied out and Charles is upset about it like most of us.

yes yes! that about sums it up. and that's what i meant by "sellout". he sold us out on his talent.



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