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Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2010, 02:02:59 PM »

Offline Sizzlack

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Kevin Martin + Courtney Lee makes Houston very small on the wings. Both are small SGs who cannot play the three. Lee is a lousy rebounder and Martin is below average himself.

Also, Lee has struggled against Kobe Bryant in the past which makes them more vulnerable against their biggest rival.

The Rockets needed Trevor Ariza's size, athleticism defensive ability and rebounding on the wing. He is a very big loss for the Rockets ... and that loss will become greater and greater as Shane Battier continues to age.

They still got Battier, who's the starter now. Martin and Lee are perfectly capable as backup wing player.

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2010, 02:04:42 PM »

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How may SF does Indiana need? Granger, George, Dunleavy, Posey, and Rush. I guess we just found a new potential trading partner for PP's backup.

They took on Posey to get Collison.  He has a terrible contract.  New Orleans gave up Collison to be out from under it, plus getting Ariza.  Still think they should get a pick too because of Collison's ability plus his potential and value (if CP3 leaves).


  Maybe they did this to show CP3 that they are committed to him.

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2010, 02:07:21 PM »

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Posey and the pacers doesn't really work. How about a buy out and the return of Posey?

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Not any more lol.

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Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2010, 02:10:48 PM »

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I wonder if Posey now regrets not re-signing with the Celtics, or if he's just happy that he got the extra money.
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Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2010, 02:12:21 PM »

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I wonder if Posey now regrets not re-signing with the Celtics, or if he's just happy that he got the extra money.
I think he regretted by the end of his first season in New Orleans.

Some interviews he gave at the time ... he missed what he had in Boston .... and on the court you could see he realized New Orleans wasn't the contender he thought they were.

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2010, 02:13:58 PM »

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Darren Collison put up 20 and 8 while playing plus defense as a starter for half a season last year. He is a star talent. Giving him up for anything less than a youthful star talent in return is a mistake.

Troy Murphy can't defend his own shadow. The Nets already have two better power forwards on their roster with Favors and Humphries. Paying $10+ million to a guy who makes you worse + losing a very good young and cost effective role player like Courtney Lee is a very poor move.

True but isn't Troy Murphy an expiring contract maybe that's all it is and they didn't see a long term with Lee.

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2010, 02:16:18 PM »

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Posey and the pacers doesn't really work. How about a buy out and the return of Posey?

Larry HATES doing buyouts.  

Not any more lol.

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The Pacers are negotiating a buyout with T.J. Ford's agent on the $8.5 million owed the point guard this season, league sources tell Y!.

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This won't go smoothly. RT @Wells222: T.J. Ford says he's not interested in taking a buyout from the Pacers.
4 minutes ago via TweetDeck
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Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2010, 02:16:26 PM »

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Darren Collison put up 20 and 8 while playing plus defense as a starter for half a season last year. He is a star talent. Giving him up for anything less than a youthful star talent in return is a mistake.

Troy Murphy can't defend his own shadow. The Nets already have two better power forwards on their roster with Favors and Humphries. Paying $10+ million to a guy who makes you worse + losing a very good young and cost effective role player like Courtney Lee is a very poor move.

True but isn't Troy Murphy an expiring contract maybe that's all it is and they didn't see a long term with Lee.
The Nets already had cap space (about $15 million prior to trade).

They didn't gain any cap flexibility by taking on Murphy's deal. They didn't move any long term deals here (only a rookie scale contract). They just cost themselves $10 million and gained nothing of value while also losing a valuable young player in Courtney Lee.

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2010, 02:23:01 PM »

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Darren Collison put up 20 and 8 while playing plus defense as a starter for half a season last year. He is a star talent. Giving him up for anything less than a youthful star talent in return is a mistake.

Troy Murphy can't defend his own shadow. The Nets already have two better power forwards on their roster with Favors and Humphries. Paying $10+ million to a guy who makes you worse + losing a very good young and cost effective role player like Courtney Lee is a very poor move.

True but isn't Troy Murphy an expiring contract maybe that's all it is and they didn't see a long term with Lee.
The Nets already had cap space (about $15 million prior to trade).

They didn't gain any cap flexibility by taking on Murphy's deal. They didn't move any long term deals here (only a rookie scale contract). They just cost themselves $10 million and gained nothing of value while also losing a valuable young player in Courtney Lee.

  I think they did this in a futile effort to back up their owner's playoff guarantee.

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2010, 02:24:46 PM »

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I would have liked to get AnY of the players in this deal.

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2010, 02:25:03 PM »

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Darren Collison put up 20 and 8 while playing plus defense as a starter for half a season last year. He is a star talent. Giving him up for anything less than a youthful star talent in return is a mistake.

Troy Murphy can't defend his own shadow. The Nets already have two better power forwards on their roster with Favors and Humphries. Paying $10+ million to a guy who makes you worse + losing a very good young and cost effective role player like Courtney Lee is a very poor move.

True but isn't Troy Murphy an expiring contract maybe that's all it is and they didn't see a long term with Lee.
The Nets already had cap space (about $15 million prior to trade).

They didn't gain any cap flexibility by taking on Murphy's deal. They didn't move any long term deals here (only a rookie scale contract). They just cost themselves $10 million and gained nothing of value while also losing a valuable young player in Courtney Lee.

  I think they did this in a futile effort to back up their owner's playoff guarantee.

I really hope not.  That would be a terrible reason to do this deal even though it is a terrible deal for them in the first place so any reason for this deal is terrible.
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Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2010, 02:27:15 PM »

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Posey and the pacers doesn't really work. How about a buy out and the return of Posey?

Larry HATES doing buyouts.  

Not any more lol.

Quote
WojYahooNBA
The Pacers are negotiating a buyout with T.J. Ford's agent on the $8.5 million owed the point guard this season, league sources tell Y!.

Quote
Pflanns
This won't go smoothly. RT @Wells222: T.J. Ford says he's not interested in taking a buyout from the Pacers.
4 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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The Pacers are still working on trade possibiltiies with T.J. Ford, as well as on-going discussions of a buyout, sources say.
"It's all about having the heart of a champion." - #34 Paul Pierce

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2010, 02:35:19 PM »

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Darren Collison put up 20 and 8 while playing plus defense as a starter for half a season last year. He is a star talent. Giving him up for anything less than a youthful star talent in return is a mistake.

Troy Murphy can't defend his own shadow. The Nets already have two better power forwards on their roster with Favors and Humphries. Paying $10+ million to a guy who makes you worse + losing a very good young and cost effective role player like Courtney Lee is a very poor move.

True but isn't Troy Murphy an expiring contract maybe that's all it is and they didn't see a long term with Lee.
The Nets already had cap space (about $15 million prior to trade).

They didn't gain any cap flexibility by taking on Murphy's deal. They didn't move any long term deals here (only a rookie scale contract). They just cost themselves $10 million and gained nothing of value while also losing a valuable young player in Courtney Lee.
Avery Johnson is convinced that Derrick Favors can not give the team real minutes this year because he is just not ready. Murphy is a rent a player for a year to eat up minutes and give the team a veteran presence while it develops Favors slowly. Most importantly, Murphy doesn't cost them future cap flexibility and becomes a nice expiring contract trade asset for a team looking to dump payroll in February, if something comes up for NJ to grab at.

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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2010, 02:42:43 PM »

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This is why players should not be so public about wanting a trade.  CP3 just killed them.  Collison could have fetched far more than that.

Re: Hornets, Nets, Rockets, and Pacers working on deal
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2010, 02:43:46 PM »

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Darren Collison put up 20 and 8 while playing plus defense as a starter for half a season last year. He is a star talent. Giving him up for anything less than a youthful star talent in return is a mistake.

Troy Murphy can't defend his own shadow. The Nets already have two better power forwards on their roster with Favors and Humphries. Paying $10+ million to a guy who makes you worse + losing a very good young and cost effective role player like Courtney Lee is a very poor move.

True but isn't Troy Murphy an expiring contract maybe that's all it is and they didn't see a long term with Lee.
The Nets already had cap space (about $15 million prior to trade).

They didn't gain any cap flexibility by taking on Murphy's deal. They didn't move any long term deals here (only a rookie scale contract). They just cost themselves $10 million and gained nothing of value while also losing a valuable young player in Courtney Lee.
Avery Johnson is convinced that Derrick Favors can not give the team real minutes this year because he is just not ready. Murphy is a rent a player for a year to eat up minutes and give the team a veteran presence while it develops Favors slowly. Most importantly, Murphy doesn't cost them future cap flexibility and becomes a nice expiring contract trade asset for a team looking to dump payroll in February, if something comes up for NJ to grab at.

The only thing I would quibble with is the last thought.  They could turn around and trade Murphy as an expiring contract, but if they just had the cap space they could absorb salary without sending ANYTHING back.  That would have made New Jersey the preferred trade partner for anyone looking to shed salary at the deadline.

Don't really like the deal for Jersey.  Troy Murphy's proven that he can put up good numbers but isn't a building block.  Give up Lee AND trade flexibility (and have to pay him)?  Still, he'll probably help them inch up a couple of wins.