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Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #345 on: June 06, 2009, 03:01:14 PM »

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I suggest going to the rules section and deleting any rule intended to protect people from themselves or others as we are all big boys and girls here.

That's one suggestion that we're probably not going to implement.  Over time, it's become clear that allowing members to sort out disputes amongst themselves with no mod intervention is not best for the community.

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Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #346 on: June 06, 2009, 03:03:09 PM »

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I suggest going to the rules section and deleting any rule intended to protect people from themselves or others as we are all big boys and girls here.

That's one suggestion that we're probably not going to implement.  Over time, it's become clear that allowing members to sort out disputes amongst themselves with no mod intervention is not best for the community.

What makes this community unique in this regard?  Also maybe the report to moderator button should go away or we could at least change the title of the button to "tattle to a mod".

Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #347 on: June 06, 2009, 03:07:27 PM »

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Espn has forums that are pretty unregulated I think. This site is unique, and I think that's a good thing

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Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #348 on: June 06, 2009, 03:07:37 PM »

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I suggest going to the rules section and deleting any rule intended to protect people from themselves or others as we are all big boys and girls here.

That's one suggestion that we're probably not going to implement.  Over time, it's become clear that allowing members to sort out disputes amongst themselves with no mod intervention is not best for the community.

What makes this community unique in this regard?  Also maybe the report to moderator button should go away or we could at least change the title of the button to "tattle to a mod".

Some forums are monitored by moderators; some (such as the ESPN forums) aren't.  In our opinion, we like the community we have here.

You may see reporting rule-breaking behavior as "tattling"; others see it as preserving a friendly environment.  Each poster can make their own choice whether to make a report to the staff.  However, resorting to frontier justice / self help is not permitted.

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Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #349 on: June 06, 2009, 03:16:29 PM »

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Espn has forums that are pretty unregulated I think. This site is unique, and I think that's a good thing

Yes. I agree it is more moderated than any site I've been to

Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #350 on: June 06, 2009, 03:18:10 PM »

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I suggest going to the rules section and deleting any rule intended to protect people from themselves or others as we are all big boys and girls here.

That's one suggestion that we're probably not going to implement.  Over time, it's become clear that allowing members to sort out disputes amongst themselves with no mod intervention is not best for the community.

What makes this community unique in this regard?  Also maybe the report to moderator button should go away or we could at least change the title of the button to "tattle to a mod".

Some forums are monitored by moderators; some (such as the ESPN forums) aren't.  In our opinion, we like the community we have here.

You may see reporting rule-breaking behavior as "tattling"; others see it as preserving a friendly environment.  Each poster can make their own choice whether to make a report to the staff.  However, resorting to frontier justice / self help is not permitted.

Just cause posters harrass each other in private messages instead of on the boards doesn't make it a friendly environment.

Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #351 on: June 06, 2009, 03:20:49 PM »

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Just cause posters harrass each other in private messages instead of on the boards doesn't make it a friendly environment.

I'm pretty sure that private messages may be reported, as well.  Also, of course, our rules apply to our PMs:

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Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #352 on: June 06, 2009, 03:24:43 PM »

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I'll just post this here cause, well, here we are, even though technically maybe it goes on a questions thread or something, but I don't know how the report to mod button works. Is this to say every single mod gets it, then x amount of subjective decisions get made as to why the report was made? Is there some sort of explanation box. I may have done this once about a year ago but I don't see how it works. It would seem that if you report a post then a mod has to decide why it was reported and may be wrong and then maybe the issue doesn't get addressed

Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #353 on: June 06, 2009, 03:28:35 PM »

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I suggest going to the rules section and deleting any rule intended to protect people from themselves or others as we are all big boys and girls here.

That's one suggestion that we're probably not going to implement.  Over time, it's become clear that allowing members to sort out disputes amongst themselves with no mod intervention is not best for the community.

What makes this community unique in this regard?  Also maybe the report to moderator button should go away or we could at least change the title of the button to "tattle to a mod".

Some forums are monitored by moderators; some (such as the ESPN forums) aren't.  In our opinion, we like the community we have here.

You may see reporting rule-breaking behavior as "tattling"; others see it as preserving a friendly environment.  Each poster can make their own choice whether to make a report to the staff.  However, resorting to frontier justice / self help is not permitted.

Just cause posters harrass each other in private messages instead of on the boards doesn't make it a friendly environment.
If someone is harassing you on PM then something like that should be reported because as much as you may want to handle that harassment yourself, if that person is doing it to you they are probably doing it to others.

I don't know about anyone else, but being just a long time poster, I would prefer not to have people who want to privately harass me because of my viewpoint being a part of this community. I have had heated discussions with many a person on this site, including mods, but at the end of the day, it's still just conversation and an exchange of ideas. They and I both realize that and can still co-mingle and discuss other items, sometimes while we are simultaneously discuss that heated issue.

I have had many a strong convo with BBall, cordobes, winsomme, Roy, Bahku, Steve and others falling on the opposite side of an opinion. But I respect their opinions all and would never even consider not talking with them on other subjects or contemplating sending harassing PMs.

I think that is just low. Discuss it constructively or forget about it. It's just a forum topic.

Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #354 on: June 06, 2009, 03:30:09 PM »

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I'll just post this here cause, well, here we are, even though technically maybe it goes on a questions thread or something, but I don't know how the report to mod button works. Is this to say every single mod gets it, then x amount of subjective decisions get made as to why the report was made? Is there some sort of explanation box. I may have done this once about a year ago but I don't see how it works. It would seem that if you report a post then a mod has to decide why it was reported and may be wrong and then maybe the issue doesn't get addressed

Once a post is reported, all the moderators / administrators receive an email.  The staff then decides how to act from there.

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Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #355 on: June 06, 2009, 03:35:47 PM »

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I'll just post this here cause, well, here we are, even though technically maybe it goes on a questions thread or something, but I don't know how the report to mod button works. Is this to say every single mod gets it, then x amount of subjective decisions get made as to why the report was made? Is there some sort of explanation box. I may have done this once about a year ago but I don't see how it works. It would seem that if you report a post then a mod has to decide why it was reported and may be wrong and then maybe the issue doesn't get addressed

Once a post is reported, all the moderators / administrators receive an email.  The staff then decides how to act from there.

And there is a section in the report where you can comment on what it is you are reporting (which we all see).
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Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #356 on: June 06, 2009, 03:36:43 PM »

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I suggest going to the rules section and deleting any rule intended to protect people from themselves or others as we are all big boys and girls here.

That's one suggestion that we're probably not going to implement.  Over time, it's become clear that allowing members to sort out disputes amongst themselves with no mod intervention is not best for the community.

What makes this community unique in this regard?  Also maybe the report to moderator button should go away or we could at least change the title of the button to "tattle to a mod".

Some forums are monitored by moderators; some (such as the ESPN forums) aren't.  In our opinion, we like the community we have here.

You may see reporting rule-breaking behavior as "tattling"; others see it as preserving a friendly environment.  Each poster can make their own choice whether to make a report to the staff.  However, resorting to frontier justice / self help is not permitted.

Just cause posters harrass each other in private messages instead of on the boards doesn't make it a friendly environment.
If someone is harassing you on PM then something like that should be reported because as much as you may want to handle that harassment yourself, if that person is doing it to you they are probably doing it to others.

I don't know about anyone else, but being just a long time poster, I would prefer not to have people who want to privately harass me because of my viewpoint being a part of this community. I have had heated discussions with many a person on this site, including mods, but at the end of the day, it's still just conversation and an exchange of ideas. They and I both realize that and can still co-mingle and discuss other items, sometimes while we are simultaneously discuss that heated issue.

I have had many a strong convo with BBall, cordobes, winsomme, Roy, Bahku, Steve and others falling on the opposite side of an opinion. But I respect their opinions all and would never even consider not talking with them on other subjects or contemplating sending harassing PMs.

I think that is just low. Discuss it constructively or forget about it. It's just a forum topic.

That's a good point about harrassing others, but I assumed those others are over 18 and don't care about what an anonymous poster sends to them.

Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #357 on: June 06, 2009, 03:38:05 PM »

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Also, while on the subject if a mod locks or deletes a thread then it becomes harder to see what you supposedly did.

Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #358 on: June 06, 2009, 03:41:48 PM »

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Also, while on the subject if a mod locks or deletes a thread then it becomes harder to see what you supposedly did.

Before a poster is disciplined, he is informed of the reason.  That generally includes quotes from the post that gave rise to the warning / suspension / ban.

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Re: Open Thread on Rules/Restrictions
« Reply #359 on: June 06, 2009, 03:55:52 PM »

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p.s. - I've read IP answer to me. I was making a joke; but I stand by me statements anyway (and if you really want to, I can easily prove that - be cautious with what you ask though).

Regarding whether there's a liberal bias on our staff, it's true that most of the people restricted from the Current Events forum (which is less than a half-dozen people) are conservative.  However, I think that's more coincidental than anything else.  I don't think anybody, for instance, would accuse me of a liberal bias, and I've agreed with each of the restrictions put on members.

However, if you feel that we've been unduly harsh on conservatives, or unfairly lenient towards liberals, it's actually a discussion I welcome. 

(As for your own restriction, as has been noted, the staff is willing to give almost anybody a second shot at the forum, depending upon the severity of their offense).  As I recall, you didn't want to have your access rights restored, but the staff is willing to revisit that decision if you'd like.)

Oh no, it's not about my access rights; I just wanted to make the joke.

And of course there's a double-standard. I mean, just an example, I can point examples of liberals making offensive personal remarks, like calling individuals "dumb" and "clown", which is an explicit violation of the rules, without even being warned; while if someone writes something like "Hello socialism, goodbye freedom" or "These ideas are laughable" (being a conservative) that poster is banned. These are just examples, there are even worse and more evident cases.

I wasn't even aware this bias was disputed; I thought it was just assumed by everybody.

Everytime we ban someone from the current events forum, or the entire forum for that matter, there is a discussion. We all have our say. We come to an agreement through discussion, and we make a choice. I do not know how much better we could do it. If you have a problem with something I said, something a mod said, in any thread, just hit the report abuse button. We'll look at it, and we'll give it fair consideration. I do not know what else we could offer.


Oh, I didn't question the formal procedures, rather I'm accusing you (the mods overall) of being biased (the fact that you can't understand you're biased doesn't make you less biased, just unable to understand your own bias).

I can't hit the report abuse button because the forum isn't available to me; besides I was banned precisely for accusing a mod of being inconsistent via PM.

Anyway, if you want a prove of your own bias, just check the "Major News Outlets....Biased?" topic, for example (although there are better ones). You justify banning the poor guy who wrote "Hello socialism, goodbye freedom" equating what he said to someone saying, and I quote ad verbatim your example, "Fox news spews biased partisan propaganda for the radical right". According to you, writing something like that would be wrong,  unacceptable, a self serving cheap shot and lead to an immediate banishment. 

However, when someone said "Rush Limbaugh and all of the right wing talk show crazies.  I want Hannity and all of the hate mongers and veiled racists at Fox News.

And lastly, you'll also have to throw in the purveyors of right wing drivel on what purports to be Boston sports radio, starting with Gerry Callahan and his boss, Glenn Ordway, who reminds me of Jabba the Hut: the same beady eyes, the same jowls etc. etc."
, it suddenly stopped being unacceptable and it passed without mention.

I can give plenty of more examples if you wish so. Once again, I'm not question your good faith; it seems to me that it's just the well-known inability individuals and groups have to perceive their own bias.